Who owns the Apache trademark and name?
04-20-2009, 10:54 AM
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Guys, any day we have a new Bimini Race and I can make it is your day.For now, I am tesing the new 39 Motion with JT from TNT either next wednesday of Thursday, if you want to run with us, please show up at TNT in the afternoon on both these days.
04-20-2009, 11:10 AM
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[QUOTE=Comanche3Six;2848047]Tristar
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives.
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead. Yet, if you explore the Apache website, he has some pretty cool looking sit downs versions of boats I would have liked to see in real instead of a design on a website. I am more interested in what can be done today. I hope I can sit down in one of these one day but I am afraid my business acumen tells me i will have hole in my pocket before I can do so, these babies look terribly expensive.
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives.
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead. Yet, if you explore the Apache website, he has some pretty cool looking sit downs versions of boats I would have liked to see in real instead of a design on a website. I am more interested in what can be done today. I hope I can sit down in one of these one day but I am afraid my business acumen tells me i will have hole in my pocket before I can do so, these babies look terribly expensive.
04-20-2009, 11:25 AM
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Tristar
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company that started with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives. Ben Kramer, Bob Saccenti, Tom Evans had a racing team that was superior in every way. A real true offshore rough water racing effort. Not like what is seen today where the powerboats will turn around and come back to port if it's "too rough" ....Well, the world spins a few rotations and tosses the dice out of the cup.....what happens? Don Aronow is shot dead, Ben Kramer is imprisoned for life, Bob Saccenti has other powerboat company ventures, and Mark McManus is awarded Apache Powerboats.
Mark refurbishes and upgrades the older Apache Powerboats, he also builds new Apache Powerboats. I know you don't like the looks of the 50' but that's ok, because the man that had it built does. Maybe your tastes are more traditional and inline with Spirit of Apache, go to the video section on the Apache website and check out the custom features. It is way over the top! Mark can tailor the Apache to whatever the customer desires. That is what he does and who he is, a "Master Offshore Powerboat Builder"
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company that started with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives. Ben Kramer, Bob Saccenti, Tom Evans had a racing team that was superior in every way. A real true offshore rough water racing effort. Not like what is seen today where the powerboats will turn around and come back to port if it's "too rough" ....Well, the world spins a few rotations and tosses the dice out of the cup.....what happens? Don Aronow is shot dead, Ben Kramer is imprisoned for life, Bob Saccenti has other powerboat company ventures, and Mark McManus is awarded Apache Powerboats.
Mark refurbishes and upgrades the older Apache Powerboats, he also builds new Apache Powerboats. I know you don't like the looks of the 50' but that's ok, because the man that had it built does. Maybe your tastes are more traditional and inline with Spirit of Apache, go to the video section on the Apache website and check out the custom features. It is way over the top! Mark can tailor the Apache to whatever the customer desires. That is what he does and who he is, a "Master Offshore Powerboat Builder"
The one thing I do not understand is why so few new Apaches are being made.
Mark has many different model types listed on that site, but what has been made recently? I mostly see refits. I dont doubt Apaches rough water abilities, but its odd to me that such a great boat does not have more demand for production, assuming someone is willing to built them for a fair price. Do modern day Cigs, Panteras, etc really perform that much worse than an Apache in rough water? Why dont we see more new Apaches?
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead.
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04-20-2009, 01:05 PM
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LOL!
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
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Ed
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
Ed
04-20-2009, 01:19 PM
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I don't know where I will be next year so excuse me if we don't meet then. I din't mean to challenge you with my Cat, just let you know my plans. I am actually flying 20 hours ( Geneva Switzerland-New York-Miami) for this test over two days. I will most certainly run Key West in November's Poker Run, racing courses is over for me, too old now at forty with 5 kids and many other old people in the family to feed but who knows I might go crazy,buy myself a new V bottom and run you to Bimini and back(ach)
04-20-2009, 01:50 PM
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The one thing I do not understand is why so few new Apaches are being made.
Mark has many different model types listed on that site, but what has been made recently? I mostly see refits. I dont doubt Apaches rough water abilities, but its odd to me that such a great boat does not have more demand for production, assuming someone is willing to built them for a fair price. Do modern day Cigs, Panteras, etc really perform that much worse than an Apache in rough water? Why dont we see more new Apaches?
Top Banana gave a good answer to that
Second item was a few weeks ago at the St Pete poker run, the wind had been blowing for days and the water was running pretty good....73 boats entered and 8 made the lunch stop. The others turned around at the bridge and went back to the docks. 3 deep Vees and the rest cats.
My opinion is that todays boats are capable of such high speeds, that that factor has become the only benchmark that is important to these guys.
The ability to handle a boat at speed in rough conditions doesn't equate anymore, they just want to say they have a fast boat that is capable of running, but they don't want to do the running.
Todays boaters are a different breed for sure.
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My opinion is that todays boats are capable of such high speeds, that that factor has become the only benchmark that is important to these guys.
The ability to handle a boat at speed in rough conditions doesn't equate anymore, they just want to say they have a fast boat that is capable of running, but they don't want to do the running.
Todays boaters are a different breed for sure.
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04-20-2009, 01:52 PM
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LOL!
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
Ed
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
Ed
Do a search you will find pics on this board, search Apache Cold War on this search you will find a video and some...well lets just say interesting pics of the boat in rough seas,let me know what you think!
04-20-2009, 02:32 PM
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If these are the pics, it looks like "Cold War" is at speed in some rough seas. Jumped a wave and landed almost at the base of another huge wave. (enduring an incredible amount of sea pressure) Pushed through that wave intact and powered forward. I read your comments where you thought it was too heavy to run rough water effectively. I agree that a somewhat lighter hull is more nimble, but it better not sacrifice strength in a situation like that! Or the results could be disastrous.
Ed
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04-20-2009, 03:07 PM
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Hi Guys, Wow this discussion is heating up.
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
