Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
502 Intake Question. >

502 Intake Question.

Notices

502 Intake Question.

Thread Tools
 
Old 08-27-2011, 01:25 PM
  #1  
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Thread Starter
 
go propless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: watsontown,pa
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 502 Intake Question.

Dual Plain VS Single Plain. Pro's and Con's of both.
go propless is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 01:39 PM
  #2  
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: northern nj
Posts: 122
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default Dual vs. Single plane

Dual plane; good throttle response,best for pulling skiers and cruising,economy and the reliability of stock parts. Single plane;used for maximum airflow for top end horsepower.
bunky1957 is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 02:05 PM
  #3  
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by go propless
Dual Plain VS Single Plain. Pro's and Con's of both.
Very seldom does a single plane work good for a relatively low rpm marine engine (an engine that operates below 5900 rpm). Single planes are best for car racing where only one carburetor is allowed and engine rpm's are at 6000 to 7500 RPM.

The single plane intake manifold was the best manifold in the early 1970's Super Stock drag race cars. These cars where limited to stock carburetors but could use any intake manifold. These flow limited engines required a huge plenum chamber to make power at high speeds. Low speed torque was not required at all.

On an engine that is not limited to stock carburetors, flow can be increased with a larger carburetor.

The most important aspect of an intake manifold is to separate cylinders 5 and 7 (port side) and cylinders 4 and 8 (starboard side). These cylinders will rob each other of fuel and create lean cylinders at low speeds (as in a single plane manifold). Dividing these cylinders is the main function of a dual plane manifold.

A modern dual plane manifold (with a large carburetor) will make as much horsepower as a single plane manifold but have more low speed torque (when operating in the rpm range of most boat engines).

Dennis Moore
Dennis Moore is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 03:41 PM
  #4  
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Thread Starter
 
go propless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: watsontown,pa
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm running RPM Air Gap's right now, with Holly Marine 850"s started with 84 front and 90 in the rear. Now im running 86 front and 92 in the rear. 77 to 78 mph @ 5200 with labbed 28's. as always looking for alittle more. and wondering if I made the right choice of intake.
go propless is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 03:55 PM
  #5  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Omaha, Nebraska. Boat on the Mighty Mo! Longest river in the USA!
Posts: 1,944
Received 37 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

+ 2 on airgap. I am running about the same jetting.
Dennis Moore is one of the best respected people. If you can get a copy of his book, its good reading.
1BIGJIM is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 07:52 PM
  #6  
SB
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: On A Dirt Floor
Posts: 13,546
Received 3,115 Likes on 1,402 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by go propless
Dual Plain VS Single Plain. Pro's and Con's of both.
This thread, and thus my answer is for a 502cid BBC.

Depends on cam and heads.

If running a modern cyl head and a modern HR cam (even low duration) a single plane will win. I spent many hrs on a dyno with wet exhaust testing different intakes, spacers, etc,etc with a short duration, relatively high lift cam.

Also proved it on the water with that engine and others.

500+ cids, good heads, and good cam = old rules change.

454, OEM Rectangulars - 95% of time I'd side with the AirGap RPM.

This is nothing new, but some still want to make or believe a marine low compression 502 look like a tow truck engine. It's not.

Last edited by SB; 08-27-2011 at 08:00 PM.
SB is offline  
Old 08-27-2011, 07:54 PM
  #7  
SB
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: On A Dirt Floor
Posts: 13,546
Received 3,115 Likes on 1,402 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by go propless
Dual Plain VS Single Plain. Pro's and Con's of both.
So , after what I wrote above above, please share the rest of your build and it should make it an easy answer.
SB is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 02:58 PM
  #8  
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by go propless
I'm running RPM Air Gap's right now, with Holly Marine 850"s started with 84 front and 90 in the rear. Now im running 86 front and 92 in the rear. 77 to 78 mph @ 5200 with labbed 28's. as always looking for alittle more. and wondering if I made the right choice of intake.
I would think that installing single plane intake manifolds would be a step backwards.

5200 rpm is just not fast enough to feel a gain from single plane manifolds.

For experimental reasons I suggest a taller open spacer under the carburetor on your dual plane manifold.

Dennis Moore
Dennis Moore is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 10:12 PM
  #9  
Charter Member # 55
Charter Member
 
Griff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Omaha/LOTO
Posts: 19,556
Received 1,821 Likes on 907 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by go propless
I'm running RPM Air Gap's right now, with Holly Marine 850"s started with 84 front and 90 in the rear. Now im running 86 front and 92 in the rear. 77 to 78 mph @ 5200 with labbed 28's. as always looking for alittle more. and wondering if I made the right choice of intake.
You made the right choice. One of the best dual planes out there.
Griff is offline  
Old 08-30-2011, 09:52 AM
  #10  
Registered
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Cheboygan, MI
Posts: 1,621
Received 398 Likes on 229 Posts
Default

On a stock 502 you can't do any better. I run a single plane on a 700hp 524 at 6500 rpm. anything less would be the RPM Air-Gap.
ThisIsLivin is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.