Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Owners Forum > Checkmate
Engine Shop >

Engine Shop

Notices

Engine Shop

Thread Tools
 
Old 09-11-2006, 09:33 PM
  #11  
I hate the winter!!
Platinum Member
 
Vinny P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: long island, new york
Posts: 2,707
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by RJBBC
We chose the 90 hp cam so we could keep the Captain's Call exhaust (wife's request).

That one hits home. I didnt tell my wife a thing, when I upgraded my power. However, she did figure out something big was going on when I spent the entire winter in the garage. She never ventures out there, so I was safe from prying eyes. The first time I fired the engine up in the driveway, she thought something was up with the extra noise. I made up some B.S. excuse about it sounding louder because it was echoing off the house and garage. When she came out for her first ride, I had alot of b.s.ing to do. I got away with it. Remember, I am running full dry CMI's with GGB Extreme mufflers.

Last edited by Vinny P; 09-11-2006 at 09:35 PM.
Vinny P is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 03:07 PM
  #12  
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: LOTO Performance Boat Center
Posts: 3,897
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by checkmate454mag
That one hits home. I didnt tell my wife a thing, when I upgraded my power. However, she did figure out something big was going on when I spent the entire winter in the garage. She never ventures out there, so I was safe from prying eyes. The first time I fired the engine up in the driveway, she thought something was up with the extra noise. I made up some B.S. excuse about it sounding louder because it was echoing off the house and garage. When she came out for her first ride, I had alot of b.s.ing to do. I got away with it. Remember, I am running full dry CMI's with GGB Extreme mufflers.

Nice save! Mine doesn't say a whole lot about the noise, I think she may even like it. I rarely ever use my captains call. I would rather not have it.
Magic Medicine is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 08:15 PM
  #13  
Registered
 
Kelly O's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Auburn, New York
Posts: 1,263
Received 21 Likes on 11 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Keep upgrading those motors. Between the motor and the wind noise at high speed, you won't hear a thing she says.


Until it breaks at speed and she is yelling "what was that!" as you coast to a stop dead in the water.
Just be sure the boat is stable at all speeds and she will never know how quick you are, right ?
Kelly O is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 09:02 PM
  #14  
I hate the winter!!
Platinum Member
 
Vinny P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: long island, new york
Posts: 2,707
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by Kelly O
Just be sure the boat is stable at all speeds and she will never know how quick you are, right ?
I agree with the need for stability. Thats more important than running fast. Anything can run fast. Most waverunners are fast. But, running fast, safely in rough water is alot harder to do.
Vinny P is offline  
Old 09-13-2006, 03:46 PM
  #15  
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: LOTO Performance Boat Center
Posts: 3,897
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by checkmate454mag
I agree with the need for stability. Thats more important than running fast. Anything can run fast. Most waverunners are fast. But, running fast, safely in rough water is alot harder to do.

Well put, running fast safely in rough water is something that takes time to perfect.
Magic Medicine is offline  
Old 09-17-2006, 07:04 AM
  #16  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
RJBBC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mahomet, IL
Posts: 679
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by MarkSmith
Most important: Make sure you get it dyno'ed. It should not be much more than $500. Trust me!!!!!!
Dyno sheet says 461HP at 5100rpms and 514lbs at 3700rpms. The speed of the boat went from 65.0mph (GPS) at 5100rpm spinning a 23 Mirage Plus to 72.3mph (same handhelf GPS) at 5000rpm spinning a 26 labbed. I am very impressed with the speed increase (feels like a different boat at all speeds), but the dyno numbers seem a little soft to produce such an increase in speed. Any thoughts?
RJBBC is offline  
Old 09-17-2006, 12:44 PM
  #17  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
RJBBC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mahomet, IL
Posts: 679
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by RJBBC
Dyno sheet says 461HP at 5100rpms and 514lbs at 3700rpms. The speed of the boat went from 65.0mph (GPS) at 5100rpm spinning a 23 Mirage Plus to 72.3mph (same handhelf GPS) at 5000rpm spinning a 26 labbed. I am very impressed with the speed increase (feels like a different boat at all speeds), but the dyno numbers seem a little soft to produce such an increase in speed. Any thoughts?
I was told 17-20 HP is needed to pull 1 additional MPH @ WOT. Tyler Crockett mentioned most of the stock fuel injected 454MAGs that he has dynoed pull between 370-380 peak HP. Let's say our boat had 370HP to start with and now has 461HP. That's a difference of 91HP. 91HP divided by the 7mph gain equals 13HP. We used the same hand held GPS and driver(me) that we always have on the boat. Don't get me wrong I am extremely happy, but just curious on how the hell that happened.
RJBBC is offline  
Old 09-17-2006, 05:56 PM
  #18  
I hate the winter!!
Platinum Member
 
Vinny P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: long island, new york
Posts: 2,707
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Rob,

I dont understand those numbers either. More power to you if they are right but the facts are below.

(((pitch x rpm) / ratio)) / 1056= theoretical speed
Then add in slip.

your numbers are as follows, assuming a 1.5 ratio drive..

24.5 x 5000= 122500
122500 / 1.5 = 8166.66666
8166.666 / 1056 = 77.33
So 77.33 is theoretical speed without slip factored in. If you are actually running 72.3 then your slip is only 6.5% . That would be great . Unfortunetly, most likely impossible. Here is a for instance.. I am running a Hydromotive P5-X and am getting 9.5% slip.
Vinny P is offline  
Old 09-18-2006, 08:54 PM
  #19  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
RJBBC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mahomet, IL
Posts: 679
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Originally Posted by checkmate454mag
Rob,

I dont understand those numbers either. More power to you if they are right but the facts are below.

(((pitch x rpm) / ratio)) / 1056= theoretical speed
Then add in slip.

your numbers are as follows, assuming a 1.5 ratio drive..

24.5 x 5000= 122500
122500 / 1.5 = 8166.66666
8166.666 / 1056 = 77.33
So 77.33 is theoretical speed without slip factored in. If you are actually running 72.3 then your slip is only 6.5% . That would be great . Unfortunetly, most likely impossible. Here is a for instance.. I am running a Hydromotive P5-X and am getting 9.5% slip.
Vinny,
Thank you for the formula. If you plugged in 26 for the prop pitch 72.3mph would equal a 12% slip, maybe more realistic. I hope to do more testing this weekend. Out of the three variables that are plugged into the formula rpm, prop pitch and speed I have the most confidence in the handheld GPS unit. The tach is the orginal unit that came with the boat and the prop was borrowed from a friend who recently picked them up with the purchase of a boat. The prop was given to me in a box that appeared to be a labbed finished prop from Mercury.
RJBBC is offline  
Old 09-19-2006, 08:35 AM
  #20  
Registered
 
Knot 4 Me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central IL
Posts: 8,362
Received 743 Likes on 401 Posts
Default Re: Engine Shop

Rob, part of that additional speed is realized from the more efficient/larger pitch prop. Don't question the MPH Gods, just enjoy!!! You've already got Wally talking Pro Chargers!
Knot 4 Me is offline  


Quick Reply: Engine Shop


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.