How much HP needed to get 38' to 100 mph?
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Doesnt seem right
CORRECTION: It's a 2003' 38' Top Gun, not a 2006'.
Here is why I ask.
They tell me:
Now we have the power of 850 horsepower. Top Gun 38 has the gear ratio 1.5:1 We use propellers Maximus have five blades. diameter of 15 1 / 4 X 32 inches with Sport Master lowers.
But last season we achieved record at ratio 1:1,26. on the propeller Hering 15 - 5 / 8 Which had six blades and step 30 inches. Then, our speed was 102 miles. Engines was 920 horsepower. But it was risky. BRAVO broken six times.
A power cut up to 820 horsepower for reliability. Speed boats with these conditions, equal to 92 miles per hour. Engines have a turnover in 5400
Then they Blew the engine, broke rod and a piston. Seems it should have been faster??
Here is why I ask.
They tell me:
Now we have the power of 850 horsepower. Top Gun 38 has the gear ratio 1.5:1 We use propellers Maximus have five blades. diameter of 15 1 / 4 X 32 inches with Sport Master lowers.
But last season we achieved record at ratio 1:1,26. on the propeller Hering 15 - 5 / 8 Which had six blades and step 30 inches. Then, our speed was 102 miles. Engines was 920 horsepower. But it was risky. BRAVO broken six times.
A power cut up to 820 horsepower for reliability. Speed boats with these conditions, equal to 92 miles per hour. Engines have a turnover in 5400
Then they Blew the engine, broke rod and a piston. Seems it should have been faster??
That boat should be faster than that with that many beans in it, but Dynos are all different. At the same time the sportmaster lower "cost" my tunnel hull 4MPH compared to the original B1 lower.
An engine on a dyno pushing through car headers usually makes more power than it will in the boat with a marine exhaust- and Ive seen so many dyno cheats to sell a build it's ridiculous- not making any speculation about your guy just telling you what Ive seen.
(when I went to Edelbrock they actually had the room pressurized-! I had to lean my shoulder on the door to get in the room!)
Comparatively the LaveyCraft 39 Evo runs about 105 with 700's and NXT drives. Its probably a lighter boat but not enough to overcome a 2-400HP difference in power and you know it doesn't have a pony more in it or Mercury would name it - the 701
Sorry about your drive problems- that sux.
Video is crappy so switch to high quality and forward to about 20 seconds in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NVpj09ejnk
Uncle Dave
LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710
LaveyCraft 20.8 406 SB
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I see what looks like a CMI elbow top in the dyno room shot- and when I look at the dyno chart I dont see a correction factor on the printout, and that can swing a number a long way - but it sure looks like the guy set up the dyno and ran the marine exhaust.
Uncle Dave
LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710
LaveyCraft 20.8 406 SB
Uncle Dave
LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710
LaveyCraft 20.8 406 SB
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and i think Rik solved their drive problems.
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Actually I do..
you must not deal with mercs too often, 525's make around 560-580, 850's are around 920 and 1075's are pushing 1125-1140.... i would estimate that a merc 700 makes that at the propshaft, easy. merc has a bad habit of under rating thier power levels, but none of that is really the issue here.
and i think Rik solved their drive problems.
and i think Rik solved their drive problems.
Accepted testing sources that Mercury themselves do not dispute do not back your claim- note the enclosed document.
A 525 makes about 470 propshaft horsepower and the newer blower engines are electronically "bled" or timing retarded- to keep them at that level of power at sea level or altitude -claimed ( for insurance purposes)
Take a look at a series of comprehensive tests by several major magazines and note how when a mercury engine is tested they indicate what boat has in the way of propshaft horsepower instead of whats stamped on the Engine. Custom engines are quoted dyno HP.
My latest purchase is my first new non merc setup Ive bought however- Ive switched to Ilmor and you can look at my 2750 in the Laveycraft forum.
Please post any real comprehensive 3rd party data you have backing up your claim- Id like to see it.
"Because you said so" carries no weight.
Uncle Dave
LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710
LaveyCraft 20.8 406 SB
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one of the best running 2003 model 38' Top Guns that I have been in was a 675hp KE motors, Stelling extension boxes, XR uppers and Imco -2" lowers, 1.50 gears and 102mph with 2 fat guys and 3/4 fuel.
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you must not deal with mercs too often, 525's make around 560-580, 850's are around 920 and 1075's are pushing 1125-1140.... i would estimate that a merc 700 makes that at the propshaft, easy. merc has a bad habit of under rating thier power levels, but none of that is really the issue here.
and i think Rik solved their drive problems.
and i think Rik solved their drive problems.
They have kissed their drive problems good bye!
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I suppose if you are going to reach those sort of speeds with this sort of set-up problems can occur. Reliability of the engines and Drive breakages being the norm I assume are minor in comparison to being ejected from the boat at low speed ! Just my 0.2c
The boat accident was this summer in July. and since then has been re-built with new arnesons and the same engine package......
Duna
The boat accident was this summer in July. and since then has been re-built with new arnesons and the same engine package......
Duna