How much HP needed to get 38' to 100 mph?
12-08-2008, 10:59 AM
#21
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I posted the video of this boat some time ago rolling over on its side in an attempt to see, 1. is this common on Cig's 2. to see if anyone knows what causes and 3. to see if anyone knows a cure as I did not want to get involved with a problematic boat.
Of course, they had already committed to the Arnesons well before they sent me the video and they had no comments on the cause.
Any idea as to what caused the side roll?
Of course, they had already committed to the Arnesons well before they sent me the video and they had no comments on the cause.
Any idea as to what caused the side roll?
12-08-2008, 11:52 AM
#22
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In the video, the driver is out there running circle track laps with much smaller boats in his 38. When he gets pitched, he attempts a hard right hand turn at slower speed right before it catches.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
12-08-2008, 12:05 PM
#23
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In the video, the driver is out there running circle track laps with much smaller boats in his 38. When he gets pitched, he attempts a hard right hand turn at slower speed right before it catches.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
12-08-2008, 12:08 PM
#24
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12-08-2008, 12:15 PM
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12-08-2008, 01:00 PM
#26
Hey Rik. Great job with the Arneson package.
My only remark was with the previous set-up, and trying to attain speeds at or over 100hph. Power steering a must. Pro-charged 575s knocking out 850Hp, Not a reliable package.
The guys who work on the boat are a great team and committed to doing the best they can to get results,
I am sure they have gone through many drives and pro-Charger set ups .
Good job the mishap was on a Lake/River. with people present !! and not out in the big water offshore.
Duna
My only remark was with the previous set-up, and trying to attain speeds at or over 100hph. Power steering a must. Pro-charged 575s knocking out 850Hp, Not a reliable package.
The guys who work on the boat are a great team and committed to doing the best they can to get results,
I am sure they have gone through many drives and pro-Charger set ups .
Good job the mishap was on a Lake/River. with people present !! and not out in the big water offshore.
Duna
12-08-2008, 01:44 PM
#27
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In the video, the driver is out there running circle track laps with much smaller boats in his 38. When he gets pitched, he attempts a hard right hand turn at slower speed right before it catches.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
Twin Steps Cigarettes don't react as quickly to hard turns because the drives "should be" somewhat trimmed out before making a turn. You have to let the boat take it's position into the turn naturally, rather than keep forcing it more and more to do so. At slow speeds this can be more pronounced especially if the drives are still in a higher speed position.
If you force it, it WILL eventually catch, but then the drives are turned too aggressively for a smooth transition. If they're turned TOO much, the hull will "catch" and yank itself into position which will likely throw everyone out depending on the speed. If that guy had been going faster, it would have likely rolled on over. If he'd punched the throttle when it started gripping, he might have saved it. That's tough to think of in the heat of the moment, and hindsight at best.
I've tested this by myself when I had my TS Gun, just so that I would know the boats likes and dislikes. They definitely aren't meant to run in such a small area like the one in that video.
Also, if it had Arneson's on it during the accident, I was told by Neill that the TS boats aren't as agile with surface drives due to the "dirty" water coming off the steps at the rear. I have no experience with that setup though.
With 900hp that boat should be running 110, assuming the drives would allow it to get there. I like the yellow.
12-08-2008, 01:48 PM
#28
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Hey Rik. Great job with the Arneson package.
My only remark was with the previous set-up, and trying to attain speeds at or over 100hph. Power steering a must. Pro-charged 575s knocking out 850Hp, Not a reliable package.
The guys who work on the boat are a great team and committed to doing the best they can to get results,
I am sure they have gone through many drives and pro-Charger set ups .
Good job the mishap was on a Lake/River. with people present !! and not out in the big water offshore.
Duna
My only remark was with the previous set-up, and trying to attain speeds at or over 100hph. Power steering a must. Pro-charged 575s knocking out 850Hp, Not a reliable package.
The guys who work on the boat are a great team and committed to doing the best they can to get results,
I am sure they have gone through many drives and pro-Charger set ups .
Good job the mishap was on a Lake/River. with people present !! and not out in the big water offshore.
Duna
Why did they never go faster with all that power they had? I know they had engines and drive issues but I would have though it would have coasted past 100 with that power before either broke.
How do you know the Yellow Boat?
Last edited by Rik; 12-08-2008 at 01:56 PM. Reason: Grammer
12-08-2008, 01:56 PM
#29
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675 Eickerts = 102
and this boat 920 hp with Bravo's = 100 and now 730's & Arneson's = 100
Are all the bottoms the same? I wonder if they all have the same basic interior below?
12-08-2008, 02:03 PM
#30
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Interiors of the TS models, for weight discussion purposes, are all essentially 2 styles, either an extended cabin with the front v-berth, and couches on each side, OR just the couches, with the front v, unfinished. While the first style would definitely add some weight in the front I don't think it would carve MUCH speed off.
