San Francisco Offshore Race

[wstultz]

Go Ciggie, Do you have any action shots of the red Sutphen "All Risk"?

[mvento]

Originally Posted by Rik

What about the Bonner Jaguar engines?

Spergil took what was a championship winning boat, changed everything that made it a winning boat (because he or those around him knew everything) and nearly never won a race with it.

I think he won one race with the boat that had just dominated the series. Shameful.

Sometimes it is about more than the equipment. I think Keith Hazell and Tony Garcia had more than a little something to do with the boat's success.

[GoCiggie31]

Originally Posted by wstultz

Go Ciggie, Do you have any action shots of the red Sutphen "All Risk"?

I got a few more boxes to go through and if I find any, I will post up .

Did you get the other picture you requested last week to your PM?

[wstultz]

Originally Posted by GoCiggie31

I got a few more boxes to go through and if I find any, I will post up .

Did you get the other picture you requested last week to your PM?

Yes i did and I appreciate greatly. These old pics of the boat are fueling my interest in buying another one and bringing it back from the dead. There is a crap load of work that goes into it but it is all worth it when you can bring them back to their old glory and blow by some new high dollar rigs.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by mvento

Sometimes it is about more than the equipment. I think Keith Hazell and Tony Garcia had more than a little something to do with the boat's success.

Your right, but it was more to do with Howard Arneson than both the two you mentioned combined.

It was all on Howard's dime sadly as Tony stiffed every one he ever came in contact with.

Howard was the vision, the brains the the money behind all of it and this is why he won back to back championships with the two different boats and teams he assembled.

People forget that Castle & Cook did not allow Howard to be in the boat so he hired people to be in it, but he never hired them to do the thinking.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by GoCiggie31

I got a few more boxes to go through and if I find any, I will post up .

Did you get the other picture you requested last week to your PM?

Great photos!

[mvento]

Originally Posted by Rik

Your right, but it was more to do with Howard Arneson than both the two you mentioned combined.

It was all on Howard's dime sadly as Tony stiffed every one he ever came in contact with.

Howard was the vision, the brains the the money behind all of it and this is why he won back to back championships with the two different boats and teams he assembled.

People forget that Castle & Cook did not allow Howard to be in the boat so he hired people to be in it, but he never hired them to do the thinking.

Rik,

I respectfully disagree:

Keith Hazell:
1979 2nd Place National High Points, Flap Jack
1981 1st Place World Champion, Ajac Hawk
1982 1st Place National High Points, Ajac Hawk
1983 1st Place World Champion, Arenson Special
1986 or 87 2nd Place World Championships, Apache

Howard was not in the boat. Either of them (1982 or 83).

There is no disputing that Howard Arneson changed offshore racing forever and was a tremendous innovator and for all I know, a genius as well. But in my opinion Drivers and Throttlemen win championships, not boat owners. To say that he had more to do with the Championships then the other two combined, in my opinion, is doing a great disservice to Tony Garcia, Keith Hazell and Sammy James the year before.

[Rik]

I'm sorry to offend anyone but if you knew anything about the team, the boat and the whole deal, you would know that it all Howard's way and there were no exceptions. As Howard would be the first to tell you, the tail does not wag the dog.

[butch ryan]

Rik, You Are Correct

[larry smith 34]

Thank you for the pic