84 Formula 402
05-22-2011, 10:51 PM
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An excellent comparison, MT.
The old 10 and 12 meter fountains are amongst my favorites. I have seen a fair amount of them rigged with IIIAs or IVs, and would definitely consider one. This is a fine specimen
It almost looks like the center exhaust manifolds are touching. I've noticed this on a few other Fountains of this vintage. The engines must be mounted closer to the center line than other boats. Seems like it would be a bit tricky to get at the plugs.
The old 10 and 12 meter fountains are amongst my favorites. I have seen a fair amount of them rigged with IIIAs or IVs, and would definitely consider one. This is a fine specimen
It almost looks like the center exhaust manifolds are touching. I've noticed this on a few other Fountains of this vintage. The engines must be mounted closer to the center line than other boats. Seems like it would be a bit tricky to get at the plugs.
05-23-2011, 10:28 AM
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"Personally if I were in the market to spend 50k, I would go for a older Top Gun, 40-42 Fountain. Either of those are awesome machines, and make a excellent Foundation for a killer offshore boat."
I agree...but then I start thinking....$30K more and maybe I can get into this...
http://www.yachtauctions.com/listing.php?vessel=6282
...very serious offshore player.
I am doing some contracting work there and I wonder if I offered $50K if they would take it ?....you never know.
I agree...but then I start thinking....$30K more and maybe I can get into this...
http://www.yachtauctions.com/listing.php?vessel=6282
...very serious offshore player.
I am doing some contracting work there and I wonder if I offered $50K if they would take it ?....you never know.
05-23-2011, 12:36 PM
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Chiming in here. I was born in 1980, so I don't really have the experience/knowledge base that a lot of you have, but I share the sentiment. It seems like in the 90s, boats just got really, really, gaudy. I have a much smaller budget than a lot of you, so I'm building my sleekcraft in the other thread, for as cheap as I can. But one thing that I've noticed is that my boat STILL LOOKS GOOD. I'm not sure why, but it seems like that same boat, sold in the 80s, looks like ass. The seat stitching got uglier, the graphics got more outrageous, and the overall look did not age well. On top of that, it seems that older styles of boats simply aren't available; if it's a smaller boat sold today, chances are it's going to be an open bow family-mobile, not anything fast looking. I don't get it. This new generation of powerboaters, ie ones, that own the gaudy graphic'd boats just seem to be total bro-machine boats. You know the type.
/ end rambling
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05-24-2011, 12:57 PM
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Chiming in here. I was born in 1980, so I don't really have the experience/knowledge base that a lot of you have, but I share the sentiment. It seems like in the 90s, boats just got really, really, gaudy. I have a much smaller budget than a lot of you, so I'm building my sleekcraft in the other thread, for as cheap as I can. But one thing that I've noticed is that my boat STILL LOOKS GOOD. I'm not sure why, but it seems like that same boat, sold in the 80s, looks like ass. The seat stitching got uglier, the graphics got more outrageous, and the overall look did not age well. On top of that, it seems that older styles of boats simply aren't available; if it's a smaller boat sold today, chances are it's going to be an open bow family-mobile, not anything fast looking. I don't get it. This new generation of powerboaters, ie ones, that own the gaudy graphic'd boats just seem to be total bro-machine boats. You know the type.
/ end rambling
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Indeed, during the 90's, manufacturers couldn't resist the urge to start slapping on the most abstract graphics they could dream up. Strange geometric shapes, and random splotches of color here and there that looked more like a bad skin condition than art.
There is a huge gap in the market when it comes to good looking, small performance boats that are somewhat affordable.
You had so much variety in the 70's and 80's that totally disappeared in the late 90's, and hasn't returned since.
I just cringe when I see all those open-bow boats lined up in the parking lot of the local boat dealers. I know they are popular, but that is only due to a lack of choices in a particular price range.
A change in the market is desperately needed.
05-24-2011, 06:18 PM
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"I just cringe when I see all those open-bow boats lined up in the parking lot of the local boat dealers. I know they are popular, but that is only due to a lack of choices in a particular price range."
I talk to guys localy here in SE Florida about making the crossing to Freeport or Bimini and what type of equipment is required. I see a lot of dejected faces and am then told that I don't know what I'm talking about when I tell the "don't even try it in your 24' bow rider. I try to explain that one wave over the bow and it will be "MAYDAY...MAYDAY...Coast Guard Palm Beach...."
I guess some guys have to live it before they believe it.
The ocean is a completely different world and the "Tube towing special ain't going to cut it..OFFSHORE"
I talk to guys localy here in SE Florida about making the crossing to Freeport or Bimini and what type of equipment is required. I see a lot of dejected faces and am then told that I don't know what I'm talking about when I tell the "don't even try it in your 24' bow rider. I try to explain that one wave over the bow and it will be "MAYDAY...MAYDAY...Coast Guard Palm Beach...."
I guess some guys have to live it before they believe it.
The ocean is a completely different world and the "Tube towing special ain't going to cut it..OFFSHORE"
05-26-2011, 11:33 PM
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"I just cringe when I see all those open-bow boats lined up in the parking lot of the local boat dealers. I know they are popular, but that is only due to a lack of choices in a particular price range."
I talk to guys localy here in SE Florida about making the crossing to Freeport or Bimini and what type of equipment is required. I see a lot of dejected faces and am then told that I don't know what I'm talking about when I tell the "don't even try it in your 24' bow rider. I try to explain that one wave over the bow and it will be "MAYDAY...MAYDAY...Coast Guard Palm Beach...."
I guess some guys have to live it before they believe it.
The ocean is a completely different world and the "Tube towing special ain't going to cut it..OFFSHORE"
I talk to guys localy here in SE Florida about making the crossing to Freeport or Bimini and what type of equipment is required. I see a lot of dejected faces and am then told that I don't know what I'm talking about when I tell the "don't even try it in your 24' bow rider. I try to explain that one wave over the bow and it will be "MAYDAY...MAYDAY...Coast Guard Palm Beach...."
I guess some guys have to live it before they believe it.
The ocean is a completely different world and the "Tube towing special ain't going to cut it..OFFSHORE"
The darn things just aren't very seaworthy, but they're light and economical. I imagine their sales will increase as fuel prices rise.
A proper offshore boat has plenty of freeboard. The 255 is an excellent example. Those old T-Bird Liberators and Interceptors are really what the market needs right now. Trouble is, those type of boats are only going to appeal to the quickly eroding middle class. The well-to-do folks want the newest thing they can get their hands on with staggered 1300 mercs that need to be rebuilt after every other poker run.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the 402 in the classifieds is in fact the same boat used to shoot the '83 brochure photos.
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05-27-2011, 07:11 AM
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The darn things just aren't very seaworthy, but they're light and economical. I imagine their sales will increase as fuel prices rise.
A proper offshore boat has plenty of freeboard. The 255 is an excellent example. Those old T-Bird Liberators and Interceptors are really what the market needs right now. Trouble is, those type of boats are only going to appeal to the quickly eroding middle class. The well-to-do folks want the newest thing they can get their hands on with staggered 1300 mercs that need to be rebuilt after every other poker run.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the 402 in the classifieds is in fact the same boat used to shoot the '83 brochure photos.
A proper offshore boat has plenty of freeboard. The 255 is an excellent example. Those old T-Bird Liberators and Interceptors are really what the market needs right now. Trouble is, those type of boats are only going to appeal to the quickly eroding middle class. The well-to-do folks want the newest thing they can get their hands on with staggered 1300 mercs that need to be rebuilt after every other poker run.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the 402 in the classifieds is in fact the same boat used to shoot the '83 brochure photos.
