502 with Afr heads ideal compression ratio
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In drag racing there is B&M, ..... in the marine industry we have BM, happy holidays Bob, I think Chads engines are still in Joplin.
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I think the 305cc runner would be better suited to a marine 509, however, I believe the Full CNC 315cc version, which is simply a cnc ported 305 casting, will still make more power than the 305cc as cast head in this application. I dont think its a question of will the 315cc CNC head make more power, but more of a question, is the extra power it will make, worth the extra cost for the cnc porting.
My general opinion would be to go with a smaller dome profile, with a smaller chamber head to get you a respectable static compression. If you are going for a max effort 93 octane build, then I'd say, yea, go 10:1 static. But, if this is a pleasure boat that you want lots of hours, ability to run a bit lesser octane, and have a little safety factor, I personally would build it around 9.25:1.
I feel that most pleasure marine bbc engines, operating at 6000RPM or below, don't have enough camshaft in them to warrant the use of 10:1 compression. Building a setup like this, with a cam duration that may peak at say 5700-5800RPM, coupled to 10:1, questionable fuel quality these days, really lessens the safety margins. I personally wouldnt want a marine pleasure engine to have 190psi cranking psi on the starter with a modest duration cam, thats gonna run the crap gas we get nowdays.. 30 years ago, when we only had crap Iron GM heads to work with, jacking the compression up was one of the only ways to increase output. Today, custom cam profiles, cnc cylinder heads, efficient chamber styles, piston crowns, various exhaust and intake systems, there's lots of ways to meet your goals, SAFELY. Making a big dyno number is one thing, making it stay together for 300 hours of hard wot running, is another.
FWIW, I've seen many well thought out marine builds making 1.3HP per ci, with 9.25 static compression. Last year my buddy brian built a set of 540's that were flat top setups, around 9.25, that made 690HP at 6000RPM with one of bob's cams. Best bet would be to call Bob , and discuss these options with him. He will be able to tell you how much power to expect, what parts to choose, etc. He's been involved with more than enough "502" builds over the years. Just my opinion.
My general opinion would be to go with a smaller dome profile, with a smaller chamber head to get you a respectable static compression. If you are going for a max effort 93 octane build, then I'd say, yea, go 10:1 static. But, if this is a pleasure boat that you want lots of hours, ability to run a bit lesser octane, and have a little safety factor, I personally would build it around 9.25:1.
I feel that most pleasure marine bbc engines, operating at 6000RPM or below, don't have enough camshaft in them to warrant the use of 10:1 compression. Building a setup like this, with a cam duration that may peak at say 5700-5800RPM, coupled to 10:1, questionable fuel quality these days, really lessens the safety margins. I personally wouldnt want a marine pleasure engine to have 190psi cranking psi on the starter with a modest duration cam, thats gonna run the crap gas we get nowdays.. 30 years ago, when we only had crap Iron GM heads to work with, jacking the compression up was one of the only ways to increase output. Today, custom cam profiles, cnc cylinder heads, efficient chamber styles, piston crowns, various exhaust and intake systems, there's lots of ways to meet your goals, SAFELY. Making a big dyno number is one thing, making it stay together for 300 hours of hard wot running, is another.
FWIW, I've seen many well thought out marine builds making 1.3HP per ci, with 9.25 static compression. Last year my buddy brian built a set of 540's that were flat top setups, around 9.25, that made 690HP at 6000RPM with one of bob's cams. Best bet would be to call Bob , and discuss these options with him. He will be able to tell you how much power to expect, what parts to choose, etc. He's been involved with more than enough "502" builds over the years. Just my opinion.
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I would, but only if I can lock the timing at 36*, run a 195* water stat, NGK-5 projected tip plugs, and eyeball the porecelin for a nice light tan color on the plugs. Should be fine for the next poker run. For something like that, I'd recommend a 174 B&M blower, 7-8lbs of boost should be ideal.
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