Fountain or Cigarette
03-11-2018, 02:14 PM
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I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
03-11-2018, 04:28 PM
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couldn't be further from the truth. The bmax upper has a much bigger upper gear set than a scx. Since John took over the company around 2010 I think he has not had a single upper gear set failure. However the bmax does not offer a #6 style lower like the scx4
03-11-2018, 04:42 PM
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I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
03-11-2018, 05:08 PM
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03-12-2018, 07:23 AM
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I sold my 02 top gun to buy an 07 fountain - fit and finish are not all that different, although the wiring in my Cig was way better. No sink or enclosed head in a 38 foot boat was the main reason I sold my TG, I am guessing that the nice cabin was eliminated in the twin step because of weight. Both great boats and I would own either in a heartbeat. Not sure why you came on the fountain forum to dredge up an old thread and bash fountain.
03-12-2018, 01:58 PM
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I sold my 02 top gun to buy an 07 fountain - fit and finish are not all that different, although the wiring in my Cig was way better. No sink or enclosed head in a 38 foot boat was the main reason I sold my TG, I am guessing that the nice cabin was eliminated in the twin step because of weight. Both great boats and I would own either in a heartbeat. Not sure why you came on the fountain forum to dredge up an old thread and bash fountain.
03-12-2018, 02:21 PM
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I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain.
To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground.
I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right?
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03-12-2018, 02:41 PM
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I guess the parts where you told us how you dont like the windshield, dash and cabin door, ass end and swim platform were compliments. Also the snarky comment about OL being the "new king in top end V performance" - maybe you should reread your post. By the way - OL set the record almost 4 years ago. What kind of boat do you own ? I dont see one in your profile.
03-12-2018, 02:52 PM
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My point exactly - you came onto the Fountain forum to tell us how great Cigarettes are, and bash Fountain. You never answered my question - what boat do you own? Pretty lousy way for a new member to start contributing to the website.
