yeah, what he said. I did not see that thread but just went and read it, unless you want to sit at a desk and write code you do not want to become a crestron or amx programmer. and there are kids in high school now that are good programmers, so it would be hard to get alot of money starting out because they will work for cheep. I build some crazy audio stuff which is fun, but does not make much money. But I have a new audio project that you might know how to market, or who to talk to. and you would probably be able to run it so call me next week and we can talk.