Originally Posted by Comanche3Six

McManus Apache has a hardcore following.

Originally Posted by PhantomChaos

Yeah....but the boats are old-tech and Apache guys have thin skins!

Originally Posted by Jassman

I agree, but then what does that say for the Apache guys




seriously, Im glad McManus still builds them

Originally Posted by boatme

It is simple

No money

They tried to build a boat company on prospects deposit money and then did not want to build the boats

I know this all to well, as I was the one who sold the only two boats ever built. I took the deposit money and then played hell getting the customer their boats

Two were built, One 42 and one 37.
The 37 was built as a joint venture with Active Thunder (Another incredible boat) but as the Chief Managment practices shone through Pat at Active backed away and went back to his own thing (current happenings at Active prove that Pat is doing it all correctly and builds a phenomenal boat )

THe 37 Chief was stripped down by Active Thunder, refitted with proper badging and rebadged as an Active Thunder then sold by its owner

It is way to bad that the 42 Chief is not being built but its time has passedTo be built and marketed as a new boat .The 42 Chief is nothing short of amazing when it comes to handling in the rough water

I have run this boat with the owner in a couple of poker runs that has snotty water (SOTW 2006 and Chicago Poker Run 2007) The dual hem set up makes it alot of fun when it gets rough. It was like riding on a galloping horse. You felt the waves under you but it was an enjoyable rhythm with no harsh landings

The owners of Chief Powerboat are just another in a long line of unethical individuals that have left a scar on the performance boat industry.

The time for building new "Old School" boats has past. The demise or almost demise of those that have tried or continue to try is proving the interest is not there

If you want a good "old school" boat buy a used Apache or Chief or even straight bottom Cig
But in this day and age the technology for new boats does not fit into building practices of old style boats

We should let the new progress, and we should embrace the past by loving, preserving, and refitting the legends. Not try to recreating them

(Chief is Dead!!! Saber Is dead!!!! and Apache is Alive but only filling the very small need left in the market)

If you want old school there are still plenty out there

One Chief , a hand full of Apaches, and a bunch of older Cigs

But we cant go back and fit into the pants we did when we were 18 (at least most cant) so why keep trying

The first Mohican is most likely the last Mohican and will be a great piece of history for anyone to own Its built , It Runs incredible, and looks great but it is going to remain a unique boat

The good news it has Chief engines in it (Not related to Chief Powerboats) and Tommy will be around for a long time and is their to continue to maintain the power in this boat

Merry Christmas to all and someone should buy this boat and put it under the Christmas Palm tree

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

every thing that you have said here is just about the people, not the concept, i have to disagree wholeheartedly that people dont want old school looks with todays technology. Just the right people havent done it. As with Parn's post and what I told yoou in chat, you cant hold everyone responsible for the actions of one/few people. As for Chief, I dont know all of the details so I wont comment, but the boat is an albatross, albeit a very good one, it needs to have the right buyer, Mike seems like a great guy and I wish him the best in selling it.
As for old school new, taking an older mold and building it with todays tech is probably the dream of more than most on this site. I see it growing, it will take time. Mark Mc Manus has always had the ability to build a new boat, but why not wait for the customer, I've never heard him turning anyone down.? if someone called him and wanted one, I'm quite sure his response was , "sure thing" Why would he turn away taking care of the existing tribe? no need to, it means plenty for a buyer to know that their boat went back to Apache to be serviced, whether they built it or not, the standards still apply.
Personnaly, I think the market for pro-touring boats has only been scratched....build them, they will come.

Originally Posted by Jassman

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder

very interesting thread...

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

I'm quite aware of that thread and whats going on with that boat,and that was exactly my point, why would anyone, including Mark McManus, saturate the market with boats. his business plan makes perfect sense ESPECIALLY when times are tough economically, take care of what people have.Some one came to him with a request and he is building it.
compare it to the housing market, how many are upgrading their current model,rather than buying new?
the direction of my comment was to Marc Blondin saying this market is dead...and that is what I disagree with.


No disagreement, just thought I'd bring that thread up.



You know you want to Pat, go ahead, that 43 will look great with old school styling...

Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty

The all knowing king of offshore boating speakes again!

Now is the Chief old school new or new school old. If the Chief has a step then isn't it new school?

Can't you just shut your pie hole and stop commenting on things you don't know anything about, ie Saber? You don't know one single thing about Saber over the last 6 months, Nothing!

Just sell the Chief you conned Mike into buying and make your plagues. Stop trying to harm others who have done or said absolutely nothing to you or about you. Insulting and delibertly hurting and disperaging others will not get you your so badly needed revenge on Mike Vorce. There are a lot of families and individuals involved who would appreciate you fading into the storm clouds of your own twisted mind. GO AWAY NK