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MarkMathews 11-17-2006 09:36 AM

Cat Length question
 
Theoretically, shouldn't a 38' Cat be able to pack more air underneath than a 37' 9" Cat assuming everything thing else is equal? I realize we're talking about a minuscule difference. But is there any reason the boat that's 3" shorter would be faster if everything else was equal?

Looking for technical responses please. No BS, No polotics.

Please.

Ted G 11-17-2006 09:57 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 
Okay, I'll play. Theoretically a 37'9 1/2" boat could have less wetted surface in the water and be faster-overcoming the decrease in possible lift. Remember that most boats only have a fraction of the hull wetted-esp cats. Assuming a 2 foot wetted surface at speed the 2.5 less inches would have a much greater effect than 2.5 inches of a lift area that is 30 plus feet long. So there ya are...thanks for playing.

Tom A. 11-17-2006 09:58 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 
The width, height and funneling of the tunnel will also effect the amount/velocity of the air underneath the cat.

Sean H 11-17-2006 10:17 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 

Originally Posted by insptech
Okay, I'll play. Theoretically a 37'9 1/2" boat could have less wetted surface in the water and be faster-overcoming the decrease in possible lift. Remember that most boats only have a fraction of the hull wetted-esp cats. Assuming a 2 foot wetted surface at speed the 2.5 less inches would have a much greater effect than 2.5 inches of a lift area that is 30 plus feet long. So there ya are...thanks for playing.

the extra 3" inches wouldn't be necessarily wetted surface on a cat, the sponson could be 3 inches longer and would have negligible effect on the running attitude of the boat, although 3 more inches of tunnel could effect the running attitude greatly....

but to answer the question, tunnel length and boat length aren't mutually exclusive...a longer cat won't pack more air unless it has a longer tunnel....and if a longer cat has a longer tunnel, it also has more weight to lift now... kind of a viscous circle...

CigDaze 11-17-2006 10:25 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 
I don't know where the 2.5" is coming from, whether it's the tips of the sponsons or the transom which would affect the tunnel and airfoil, but either way we're talking about a difference of 0.5%. Say it is in the tunnel area, lift and drag behave linearly with surface area as defined by L (or D)=1/2 * rho * V^2 * S * Cl (or Cd), where rho=density, V=velocity in fps, S=planer area in sqft, and Cl=coefficient of lift (or drag). Again, 0.5% differences...maybe.

After running a quick CFD comparison, I see no appreciable difference.

Sean H 11-17-2006 11:01 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 

Originally Posted by CigDaze
I don't know where the 2.5" is coming from, whether it's the tips of the sponsons or the transom which would affect the tunnel and airfoil, but either way we're talking about a difference of 0.5%. Say it is in the tunnel area, lift and drag behave linearly with surface area as defined by L (or D)=1/2 * rho * V^2 * S * Cl (or Cd), where rho=density, V=velocity in fps, S=planer area in sqft, and Cl=coefficient of lift (or drag). Again, 0.5% differences...maybe.

After running a quick CFD comparison, I see no appreciable difference.

the 2.5 inches in question is overall boat length from tip of sponson to the top of the transom... there is no set length for tunnels...

MarkMathews 11-17-2006 11:01 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 
Is being 3" short going to give ANY advantage? Does it have ANY disadvantage?

PS - Hello to my old friends Uncle Teddy :evilb: and Nick :drink:

CigDaze 11-17-2006 11:07 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 

Originally Posted by Sean H
the 2.5 inches in question is overall boat length from tip of sponson to the top of the transom... there is no set length for tunnels...

Gotcha! So, given two boats exactly 38' in overall length, their tunnels can have literally an infinite combination of characteristics (within their width limitations) pretty much indepentant of OAL. Therefore, differences in lift and drag are a moot point.

CigDaze 11-17-2006 11:08 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 

Originally Posted by MarkMathews
Is being 3" short going to give ANY advantage? Does it have ANY disadvantage?

PS - Hello to my old friends Uncle Teddy :evilb: and Nick :drink:

Back at ya! How's it going? Hope all's well. :cool: :drink:

MarkMathews 11-17-2006 11:12 AM

Re: Cat Length question
 
Life is good.


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