Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 2018035)

I understand what you're saying (and knew you were going to say something along those lines). I guess it boils down to personal opinion.

Does Cigarette build "world champion racing boats"?? Yes, no doubt they have.

Does the majority of performance boaters know the racing heritage of Cig? Yes.

Do they have a "world champion racing team" right now? No.

I think if you have a long and distinguished racing history with a proven company/product (like Cigarette) then you should be able to put it on the side of your boat.

I think Apache could put on the side of thier prodect "World Champion Racing Boats". (I can't believe I'm about to say this) Just like I think Fountain has earned the right, though they don't.

Go out and win one or two world championships here and there (where people have to question whether you've ever won one because no one remembers!) No, I don't think that counts. Be a dominant force on the offhore circuit (like fountain has in recent years and Cigarette was for many years past) yea, I think that qualifies.

I guess it comes down to Simantics, "World Champion Racing Boats"? no doubt. "World Champion Racing Team"? Not right this minute, no.

Just my .02

Originally Posted by epeek (Post 2018061)

So the NY Jets should call themselves the World
champion NY Jets because they won a superbowl
in 1968 ? Sorry. Cig builds a great boat,but IMO
you can only call yourself a world champion if you
won in that same year. Not 20 years and 6 owners
ago.
It is a nice looking logo though.See...I kinda look at it differently. Does Cigarette build
world champion race boats??? Who knows. They claim
they do. They definetly build a phenominal performence
boat. Don Aronow built world champion race boats.Thats
a fact. But does Skip Braver? I kind of see it as a slap
in the Don's face. Skip Bravers Cigarette riding on Don
Aronows coat tails. I just think if he's gonna make the
World Champion claim...he should be backing it up.
He certainly doesnt need the sticker on the side,the boats
are beautiful. So why write checks your a$$ cant cash?
One more thing.... Apache??? When iss the last time they
did anything in racing??? Sorry but times change,
technology changes. Your Champ today and loser
tommorow. Your only as good as your last win.
Nobody but the current champion has the right
to make the claim "world Champion" If they want
to make the claim,let them do all the work,time,balls
and money it takes to win a Championship. Then
make your claim.

Originally Posted by Mentalpause (Post 2017903)

One of my favorite new hulls out. I think Pat did an outstanding job on that boat.

Originally Posted by GLH (Post 2018070)

"Is that one a them thar Cigarette boats?" :eek:

Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 2017900)

I think Ciagarettes racing heritage speaks for itself. The "World Champion Race Team" on the side of Cigarettes is well deserved. Cigarette has been in and out of racing and winning world championships longer than anyone else in the game
(though it's been 6 years since they won a world championship).

That being said. I would like to see them on the race course or at least help their racers. But I understand why they dont...They don't need too, they have nothing to prove and there's no money in it.