ScarabRick. Honestly, you dont even want to be associated with owning one. They have one purpose, high capacity scum gang crap. Also, you would never want one to protect youself with. As the others said they jam and are crap. If you want to own something reliable for self defense buy a Glock which are lowerer in price and reliable, or, treat yourself to a nice H&K. (I shoot competition with an H&K, and have many friends that use Glock....both are flawless). Also, no matter what you may go for, try a 40sw caliber.