Mark is a nice guy and apparently an astute businessman. He's just not the guy that pops to mind when one thinks of Apache- not the old-school, glory days of Apache. Bob Saccenti on the other hand is what I think of. He's one of the godfathers of the offshore boating industry. I think about him building those magnificent 41's and those absolutely outrageous 47's and then winning all thsoe races.

When someone sends me a video where T2x is saying "...the magic throttle arm of Mark McManus...", then he'll be Apache to me.

McManus didn't start Apache nor did he ever have any vision beyond what he's doing today. He's a guy who, regardless of the version of the story you subscribe to, ended up with what was left of Apache after the government disposed of it. That doesn't make him a bad guy. It doesn't qualify him as a legend either.

When I think of Mr Apache, I think of Ben Kramer.
Unfortunately, when I think of the murder of Don Aronow, I also think of Ben Kramer.

Bob Saccenti was the best rough water throttleman I have ever seen.


Just who did build all those magnificent 41's and 47's?

Chris, you say it much more eloquently than I can.... At least one person knows the story..:ernaehrung004:

Holy crap, speedo and I agree on something! :ernaehrung004:

First ones were built by Bob and his team....they put the name on the map.


So anyway.......anyone remember the "Apache - What's in a name thread from years ago?" Even when the man himself told the story some still refused to believe it...:hitfan:

That's all I have to say about this...it's exhausting....I'm gonna go back to enjoying life and taking rides on my Apache! :cool:

Are you sure?

Beautiful powerboats!

Is this one?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ_gm9XSEWE

Where? Bob Saccenti and all the people who were there.

I'm not sure where you get your information from but as recently as last June you weren't even aware that Mark McManus was still in the boat business...

On purpose (like the devil reading the bible)...:ernaehrung004:

With the offshoreboat business/racing being still in it´s infancy/minority I understand your point.
Not so with auto racing..there a engineer / crew chiefs etc have their positions....and the mechanics and drivers their own. Also they rely mostly on measured data not just how it feels, like boat builders even to this day.
I´d say blow boat racing is using more data in their tuning than anyone regarding boats.

And I think regarding racing you can´t be a fix it all.
I thought I was once one but I´ll stick to wrenching.

And I think you haven´t done your homework or have a hard time understanding what you read from reading at your reply´s...

Even I here up and far northeast KNOW that Bobby S built the first Apache of them all, using the Squadron XII 39 mold.
The red hull white deck boat with Squadron logos and Apache written on the sides raced by Jerry Kilpatrick and throttled by...Bobby S.
He also built at least the first 41 (Warpath) how much Don was involved we can only guess but being so close I´d say a Lot.

Like the man said himself even here on OSO ..he didn´t have the 41 hull ready in time and had to use a Cig 39 mold which he also states that the particular boat rode rougher because of the wider strakes compared to a Cigarette 39 and A Squadron 39 had those wider strakes.
But looking at a regular Squadron XII 39, Kilpatricks Apache has raised gunnel's so the deck is different so it´s an Apache.
Where is it now??