Are cats really that dangerous?
05-13-2008, 09:59 AM
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Nope and nope........
You have to see a Champ boat turn to believe it.........I speak from first hand racing experience in the cockpit.......the G's are indescribable.
From the Champ Boat website.........
"High Speed Turns and Pure Excitement
High speeds, sharp turns and constant action
• Due to the shape of their tunnel hulls, Champ Boats are able to turn almost instantaneously
• Incurring more "G" forces than any other racing machine on earth
• Enables them to race close to river banks and lake shores
• Provides excellent spectator viewing
Champ Class (F1)
• Nearly identical to the Formula 1 machines raced internationally on the UIM circuit
• Champ Boats are 17 feet long and weigh just 1,150 pounds with driver
• 380-horsepower engines enable them to reach speeds of 140 miles per hour "
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You have to see a Champ boat turn to believe it.........I speak from first hand racing experience in the cockpit.......the G's are indescribable.
From the Champ Boat website.........
"High Speed Turns and Pure Excitement
High speeds, sharp turns and constant action
• Due to the shape of their tunnel hulls, Champ Boats are able to turn almost instantaneously
• Incurring more "G" forces than any other racing machine on earth
• Enables them to race close to river banks and lake shores
• Provides excellent spectator viewing
Champ Class (F1)
• Nearly identical to the Formula 1 machines raced internationally on the UIM circuit
• Champ Boats are 17 feet long and weigh just 1,150 pounds with driver
• 380-horsepower engines enable them to reach speeds of 140 miles per hour "
T2x
I read that but have not seen any figures,
Here is what they are currently claiming for f-1 cars.
around 900hp in a 1334lb chassis
They accelerate at 1.45g, brake at up to 6g's and corner at
2g at 70mph, 3g at 130 and 5-6g at 190
Turn 8 at the Istanbul Park circuit, a 190° relatively tight 4-apex corner, in which the cars maintain speeds between 265 km/h (165 mph) and 285 km/h (in 2006) and experience between 4.5g and 5.5g for 7 seconds - the longest sustained hard cornering in Formula 1.
Reno air racers unlimited class planes are often equipped for g-suits as some planes are capable of extreme g forces.
Obviously the champ boats are very spectacular and presumably utilize the very latest in modern data-logging, I would like to see the numbers that back up their claim
BTW the jet sprinters down under claim the following
Performance
Acceleration 2G’s force 0 to 120 kph (0 to 75 mph) in 2.3 seconds
Cornering 5 to 6 G’s of cornering force
From 900-1200 HP in a 1200lb boat
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05-13-2008, 10:45 AM
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It depends, are you standing still or moving? You can turn tighter faster on one leg.
I'm glad we're past the arguing stage. We're into the group hug, slapping each other on the back, remember the good ole' days stage. A question was asked that wasn't answered. Can a cat turn like a vee? I agree totally that a Champ boat will out turn a 47 Apache. What about size for size, weight for weight?
I've never been in a cat and am curious.
I'm glad we're past the arguing stage. We're into the group hug, slapping each other on the back, remember the good ole' days stage. A question was asked that wasn't answered. Can a cat turn like a vee? I agree totally that a Champ boat will out turn a 47 Apache. What about size for size, weight for weight?
I've never been in a cat and am curious.
.In both hull types, I wouldn't suggest continual race turns in a chop if the drives are spinning in......
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05-13-2008, 10:55 AM
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I read that but have not seen any figures,
Here is what they are currently claiming for f-1 cars.
around 900hp in a 1334lb chassis
They accelerate at 1.45g, brake at up to 6g's and corner at
2g at 70mph, 3g at 130 and 5-6g at 190
Turn 8 at the Istanbul Park circuit, a 190° relatively tight 4-apex corner, in which the cars maintain speeds between 265 km/h (165 mph) and 285 km/h (in 2006) and experience between 4.5g and 5.5g for 7 seconds - the longest sustained hard cornering in Formula 1.
Reno air racers unlimited class planes are often equipped for g-suits as some planes are capable of extreme g forces.
Obviously the champ boats are very spectacular and presumably utilize the very latest in modern data-logging, I would like to see the numbers that back up their claim
BTW the jet sprinters down under claim the following
Performance
Acceleration 2G’s force 0 to 120 kph (0 to 75 mph) in 2.3 seconds
Cornering 5 to 6 G’s of cornering force
From 900-1200 HP in a 1200lb boat
Here is what they are currently claiming for f-1 cars.
around 900hp in a 1334lb chassis
They accelerate at 1.45g, brake at up to 6g's and corner at
2g at 70mph, 3g at 130 and 5-6g at 190
Turn 8 at the Istanbul Park circuit, a 190° relatively tight 4-apex corner, in which the cars maintain speeds between 265 km/h (165 mph) and 285 km/h (in 2006) and experience between 4.5g and 5.5g for 7 seconds - the longest sustained hard cornering in Formula 1.
Reno air racers unlimited class planes are often equipped for g-suits as some planes are capable of extreme g forces.
Obviously the champ boats are very spectacular and presumably utilize the very latest in modern data-logging, I would like to see the numbers that back up their claim
BTW the jet sprinters down under claim the following
Performance
Acceleration 2G’s force 0 to 120 kph (0 to 75 mph) in 2.3 seconds
Cornering 5 to 6 G’s of cornering force
From 900-1200 HP in a 1200lb boat
A typical Champ boat turn is 180 degrees at 25-40 foot diameter and speeds over 100.......in under 2 seconds. NOTHING else will reverse its direction at those speeds in that time span........ simply because airplanes have nothing to grab on to and tire adhesion on a car or motorcycle will fail....
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05-13-2008, 10:59 AM
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My friends race champ boats and Formula 2 boats and I have been told they pull 5 g's in the corner. I have been to Indy car and boat races and the Champ boats are scary how hard they turn. I once was asked to hold a radar gun on a Champ boat testing for top speed. I was standing on the end of a pier watching him come staright for me. The first time he did it I stated backing up real fast as I was convinced he was going to kill me and then he turned around 75' from the pier and was going the other direction in about a 50' radious. There is no car in the world that can do that. They tell they stay full throttle and trim down, turn and hit the up button as soon as they turn to pop the nose coming out of the corner. I have been offered to drive one of those boats a few times and I declined.
05-13-2008, 11:09 AM
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My friends race champ boats and Formula 2 boats and I have been told they pull 5 g's in the corner. I have been to Indy car and boat races and the Champ boats are scary how hard they turn. I once was asked to hold a radar gun on a Champ boat testing for top speed. I was standing on the end of a pier watching him come staright for me. The first time he did it I stated backing up real fast as I was convinced he was going to kill me and then he turned around 75' from the pier and was going the other direction in about a 50' radious. There is no car in the world that can do that. They tell they stay full throttle and trim down, turn and hit the up button as soon as they turn to pop the nose coming out of the corner. I have been offered to drive one of those boats a few times and I declined.
05-13-2008, 11:12 AM
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My friends race champ boats and Formula 2 boats and I have been told they pull 5 g's in the corner. I have been to Indy car and boat races and the Champ boats are scary how hard they turn. I once was asked to hold a radar gun on a Champ boat testing for top speed. I was standing on the end of a pier watching him come staright for me. The first time he did it I stated backing up real fast as I was convinced he was going to kill me and then he turned around 75' from the pier and was going the other direction in about a 50' radious. There is no car in the world that can do that. They tell they stay full throttle and trim down, turn and hit the up button as soon as they turn to pop the nose coming out of the corner. I have been offered to drive one of those boats a few times and I declined.
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