Jon, I for one believe in free speech. You can attest to that after spending some time with Mary,I,and my friends. People always push things to the limits of thier ability and means and sometimes others will be offended.. This board was, and is a place to comunicate with people who share one common intrest.BOATS,BOATS and BOATS.Even sail boats in some cases. I responded to TOO OLD in a sense that reflected respect and curtiousy for him,So as to let him know that there are some of us(actually a majority)who prefer this board to be a place of boating support and communication. You are correct in your statements to keep this board on the level. Manufacturers and Suppliers do use this board to test and research product ideas. We should be greatfull jeffery has tha ability to provide us with such a forum.It truly is the same people who keep abusing this and they seem to feed off the more negativity it creates.Whoa, I'm rambling. Anyway I do not know near the people you do on this board but from my readings this is great forum and we should keep it that way.Thanks Guys, Mark B.