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YES MIKE!!! WE KNOW!!!, you helped write the original OutLaw P-Class Rules for APBA. & they were called OutLaw because BAJA helped sponsor the series.
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Originally Posted by TYPHOON
(Post 2653293)
I am a racer in OSS SVL. I love this class and the people I race against. I moved up to this class after racing for years in F1. Both classes are the same principals with spec. motors,drive's weight, and other factors.
On the other hand I race in OPA in class 5 where the speed is 75 MPH with my old F1 boat. I do this because it is local and there are now around 15 boats in this class. I can honestly say I dont think there would be any racing in the North East without P class. Its a function of money in most cases. There has been yards full of older race boats and nowhere to race them. It has changed with P class and they are back on the water having fun. It comes down to that or nothing at all. I also find it hard to recognize the current system of getting a National ,World or Hall of champion title. In my opinion to achieve these titles it should be in a spec class at WOT against a Min. of 5 boats in your class and preferably more. I have two of these World Championships where I have won but didnt have as much merit ,I also have 2 World Championships that mean so much to me Its hard to explain. Race against 20 other F1 boats and win you know you did something. OSS is as close to what you all want where racing is bad a$$. I also would love to see more teams get into SVL and get 20-30 teams out in the water hammering it out. Why not build a SVL for a fraction of the price and race more boats instead people build boats they cant afford after one year or one wreck. Its human nature to want to be the big show. Could you only imagine if some of the bigger teams spent there money fielding a SVL team. Most racers cant afford more but they certainly can afford less. MD |
Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
(Post 2653437)
YES MIKE!!! WE KNOW!!!, you helped write the original OutLaw P-Class Rules for APBA. & they were called OutLaw because BAJA helped sponsor the series.
However my point is people do not remember the intent of P Class as a feeder class into the big leagues. This is one big huge reason the sport is not growing. |
Mike I KNOW you did the P class .....BUT the Local classes had been around for a long time. It was alway a staple event at Sarasota for along time and many other sites too. Back then it was a feeder class for pleasure boats. Now indays people build boat specificlly for the P classes. The local classes also ran the same premise as YOUR P classes did. Not all events ran local back then so P class was a good thing to do at EVERY event to boost numbers......OK I'm out off to Orange Beach to go RACING!!!!!
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W O W, you guy's just crushed me. Because of the way you think does this mean my National, World and Induction into The APBA/UIM Hall of Champions in 2005 is null and void? Oh Well. And all this time I thought Smitty and I and the rest of the hard working people who help us were doing something good for the boat racing community with OPA and The Jersey Boyz. That's what I get for thinking. Smitty, we Fuc$ed up! Lots of good, legit questions, good answers and some $ucked up but all legit. I don't have any answers, I just know OPA and The Jersey Boyz have a couple of boats racing...Nothing More. I remember the old days, my Uncle Val was one of the mechanics on The Crazy Greek which ran outta Toms River, NJ and who just got back into racing last year, John B. It was great then and I feel it's great now...just my opinon. And for the guy's questioning Rich (TX2) , although I do not agree with him 100% on some issues I have 100% respect for him and his knowledge of Offshore Racing. Rich has been around Offshore Racing and competed longer that dirt, and he'll give you an answer to any question concerning Offshore Racing rules, and laws from yesterday and today. People, cut us a break...Please, we're trying! And I think we have done a pretty good job. Some have "NO IDEA" what goes into putting on an event less alone how much comes out of our pockets, Smitty, Louie The Rigger, Evil Ed Smith, Myself. Someone once said, don't comdem until you've walked in our shoes. I think OPA and The Jersey Boyz will be around for a while so enjoy or not, your choice! Augie
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Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
(Post 2653485)
Mike I KNOW you did the P class .....BUT the Local classes had been around for a long time. It was alway a staple event at Sarasota for along time and many other sites too. Back then it was a feeder class for pleasure boats. Now indays people build boat specificlly for the P classes. The local classes also ran the same premise as YOUR P classes did. Not all events ran local back then so P class was a good thing to do at EVERY event to boost numbers......OK I'm out off to Orange Beach to go RACING!!!!!
In the old Local classes guys would show up in anything and LIE about there speed. the club running the Local Class could care less because they wanted there buddy to get his trophey and be happy with the club. The club did not want to make these guys mad because the boat clubs needed these members to renew there membership. Local class was a total croc and scam. I ran a honest 65mph boat against boats that would walk..no wait... run away from me. P- Class was brought about to try and even the playing field but mostly to feed the Factory and Super Series classes. There were provisions in the rules put in to take care of boats with for example 700hp trying to run in P5 class but are propped and geared down. I checked out P Class a year or 2 ago and there are 38' boats with big blocks capable of 85-90mph running in P5 and P4! WTF!!! Those rules never were enforced after 2001 season and P Class has turned into competition for the upper classes now. Is this what the current racing sancationing bodies really want? |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2651455)
I would love to be a cheerleader, but how would you do that at a football game where only one team shows up?T2x
I never heard any boat team bragging about winning when there were no other boats. Maybe yes, if they broke their own speed record, did their personal best or just stayed together.:ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by AugiePensa
(Post 2653512)
And for the guy's questioning Rich (TX2) , although I do not agree with him 100% on some issues I have 100% respect for him and his knowledge of Offshore Racing. Rich has been around Offshore Racing and competed longer that dirt, and he'll give you an answer to any question concerning Offshore Racing rules, and laws from yesterday and today. People, cut us a break...Please, we're trying! And I think we have done a pretty good job. Some have "NO IDEA" what goes into putting on an event less alone how much comes out of our pockets, Smitty, Louie The Rigger, Evil Ed Smith, Myself. Someone once said, don't comdem until you've walked in our shoes. I think OPA and The Jersey Boyz will be around for a while so enjoy or not, your choice! Augie
I respect your efforts and the comraderie and enthusiasm you have managed to create....... For the record we agree on that. We obviously disagree on the bracket racing concept. It was great seeing you over the weekend and I hope your various injuries all heal up well over the winter. T2x |
Originally Posted by dangerkitty2
(Post 2662858)
I never heard any boat team bragging about winning when there were no other boats. Maybe yes, if they broke their own speed record, did their personal best or just stayed together.:ernaehrung004:
It's okay to brag about "winning" when there are no other boats in your class if: 1. You break your own speed record........or 2. You did your "personal best".......or 3. You "just" stayed together..... This is hopeless. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2663076)
Let me understand you clearly.
It's okay to brag about "winning" when there are no other boats in your class if: 1. You break your own speed record........or 2. You did your "personal best".......or 3. You "just" stayed together..... This is hopeless. T2x Dangerkitty, Is there a difference between bragging and applying letters on the boat? |
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