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[MidOcean]

Originally Posted by sean stinson

I will say this one more time.....Now pay attention TODD because I too was there the 36 came from the 41 it was a pink part originally and was reworked faired and the rocker put in it again if you want the exact specs I will post them for you.......A new deck mold was made from scratch do you want pics of the plug, in fact all the decks were made from scratch the 21 had 4 generations of decks again would you like to see photos.....The 21 came from Rich Luhrs and George Linder as you see in the post above. Dont get me started on the 28 because it came from a 26 Monza stretched by Mr Don Aronow himself. Now I dare you to tell me I dont know whats up because again I was there granted a punk kid but still there. Rich chime in anytime you want because you know too. SCHOOLS OUT FOR SUMMER

MMMM... dont remember ever seeing you around back then Sean... Wernt you in Calif back then... At any rate... Look at the entry on the Monza and the lap on the gunwale... Thats like saying that George Bush is a descendent of Albert Einstien.

While were at it... The 28 has a MAJOR flaw... one that I dont think DA would have let go out the door.

[sean stinson]

That 41 Apache mold was splashed off the Team Apache boat and had steps in it and built the Cigar boat originally

[Panther]

Originally Posted by MidOcean

Sorry Sean. Again, I was there. If the 36 came from the 41 mold you would never have the classic rocker that you find in the aft of all simone designed bottoms. You won't get that rocker from the middle of a 41.. only the aft 8 feet. Trust me... 35 cigarette.... And for an extra 10 points... who wants to tell everyone who's boat was used to make the mold.

If in fact that's true someone on the west coast has some explaining to do because that's not what was requested, lol. also, I wonder why it was a 36' instead of a 35'? At the end of the day I'm happy I have the extra foot!

Originally Posted by sean stinson

I will say this one more time.....Now pay attention TODD because I too was there the 36 came from the 41 it was a pink part originally and was reworked faired and the rocker put in it again if you want the exact specs I will post them for you.......A new deck mold was made from scratch do you want pics of the plug, in fact all the decks were made from scratch the 21 had 4 generations of decks again would you like to see photos.....The 21 came from Rich Luhrs and George Linder as you see in the post above. Dont get me started on the 28 because it came from a 26 Monza stretched by Mr Don Aronow himself. Now I dare you to tell me I dont know whats up because again I was there granted a punk kid but still there. Rich chime in anytime you want because you know too. SCHOOLS OUT FOR SUMMER

Classic!!!!

Hey, I might go boarding this weekend or next!


Carry on......

[sean stinson]

I was in CA for a long time but in Fl as well would you like me too post my frequent flyer miles for you....Or would you like me to get Booby S or Eric Froberg to post a verification for you who btw send their regards

[MidOcean]

Originally Posted by daredevil

I am not shure and don't know much about cig or apache,,,but back then i believe there where no 35's ,just called 35 but the cig's wnere all 36 flat decks and had 2 diffrent decks thats why one was called 35 ,,but came out of a 36 mold at D.A. shop !!!!????
Maybe i am wrong ?
But thats what somebody told me that actually was around back then and also worked for Apache.

The only thing that was copied was the hull. And, for the record, the boat that was used was a 35' Cigarette Awesome model.

[MidOcean]

Originally Posted by Panther

If in fact that's true someone on the west coast has some explaining to do because that's not what was requested, lol. also, I wonder why it was a 36' instead of a 35'? At the end of the day I'm happy I have the extra foot!



Classic!!!!

Hey, I might go boarding this weekend or next!


Carry on......

Go measure your boat and come back and tell everyone what you came up with...

[Panther]

Daredevil, when Bobby seperated from Ben he decided he wanted to build a 35' so he could compete with the Cafe Racer. He spoke to Ben, cut a deal and "someone" dammed the 41' and sent the result to Bobby... it was 1 ft. longer than expected..

Here's a post directly from Bob, from another board.

Originally Posted by Bobby Saccenti

Their where two 33’ Apaches . The first one was a narrow beam I designed along with borrowed Nick Chapman and sons ( Don’s carpenters) in 1978. That original 33’ Apache mold is now owned and being used by Concept Powerboats in Miami. The second 33’ hull mold was purchased from Aronow. This 33’ was a shorten version of the original 36’ - 9 ½' beam Cigarette race boat. After the purchase, Apache Powerboats manufactured it manly as a center console..

The 36' Apache was built out of the 41' Apache mold..

[MidOcean]

Originally Posted by Panther

Daredevil, when Bobby seperated from Ben he decided he wanted to build a 35' so he could compete with the Cafe Racer. He spoke to Ben, cut a deal and "someone" dammed the 41' and sent the result to Bobby... it was 1 ft. longer than expected..

Here's a post directly from Bob, from another board.

MMM.. didnt know that Bob and Ben separated... you mean before the govt. came and shut everything down?

[Panther]

What year did the Gov't shut down Apache and what year did Bobby start the 2nd Apache brand and what year did Eric become partners?

anyway, ya'll have fun with all this menusha. peace out!

Originally Posted by MidOcean

MMMM... dont remember ever seeing you around back then Sean... Wernt you in Calif back then... At any rate... Look at the entry on the Monza and the lap on the gunwale... Thats like saying that George Bush is a descendent of Albert Einstien.

While were at it... The 28 has a MAJOR flaw... one that I dont think DA would have let go out the door.

What flaw would that be? A 28 that thinks its a 41?