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MidOcean · 02-19-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sean stinson

Well maybe if you wouldn't have fallen out of the bolsters and yanked the kill switches he wouldn't of had a problem.....Did you ever think of that in order to run in rough water you cant lose your power let alone kill the boat entirely!!!!!!

Your logic is flawed Sean. If the boat wasnt on its side at 85 mph, I wouldnt have flown out of the bolster... come on man... I expect more from you.. someone who definately knows better. I've always respected you as an independant thinker... you should stop drinking their koolaid

sean stinson · 02-19-2009, 04:41 PM

Again you know maybe Eric was trying to be Bobby Saccenti that day who knows but what I am telling you is that the boat doesn't have a flaw it might have taken a bad hop or what but we have all done it......BTW how big was the water that day???????

MidOcean · 02-19-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sean stinson

Again you know maybe Eric was trying to be Bobby Saccenti that day who knows but what I am telling you is that the boat doesn't have a flaw it might have taken a bad hop or what but we have all done it......BTW how big was the water that day???????

3 to 5... Eric was born trying to be Bob S.

A 28 I sold to some guys in homestead, center console with a pair of 200 hp mercs.. 26" bracket... did the same thing and threw 4 guys out of the boat completely....

Panther · 02-19-2009, 09:13 PM

As the prop turns!

Bigfeather · 02-20-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Panther

As the prop turns!

1 TIN SOLDIER RIDES AWAY.

sean stinson · 02-20-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

If the Baja 302 is rumored to be related to the Apache 28, then it would have been that the Baja hull came from the Apache, not the reverse. I honestly have never bothered to compare the two. The year was, I believe 1987, while part of the team at Bob's Apache Performance Boats on 188th, we tooled a number of "new" boats. We retooled a completely new 22 hull & deck, using our original 22 sportdeck outboard & I/O boat. We had built quite a few of the original 22's, in just about any configuration of power you could imagine. This original boats true length was 21' 2", but was labeled a 22, to compete with the 22 Velocity of the day. The new 22 Apache was tooled as a splashwell O/B model only, negating the need for Gil brackets, as used on the previous 22's O/B version. At the same time, we tooled a 24 hull only(never finished a deck), which was a highly modified, much improved, hull design, which began as a 22 hull. It had a much wider pad, transom step, & reverse chines. Nice piece. George Linder was asked to fly in and inspect the plug just before molding, and simply stated that he could not have done a better design himself. This hull mold was never used, and was later sold to Magnum Express Powerboats in Pompano, Fl. This same year, we tooled a completely new, top to bottom, 24' Apache Princess. It was 22 degree deadrise, conventional vee, I/O only, with molded-in "euro" swim platforms. Victor Chapman built these in their entirety. These molds were never used & pushed outside to store.

I didnt want to open up the can of worms but yes the outlaw or boss baja comes from the 28 Apache dont know all the facts other than standing around saying hey that looks like my boat......

sean stinson · 02-20-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed

At the same exact time, Victor helped us tool the 28 Sterndrive sportdeck. We started with a 26 Monza center-console with twin MerCruiser small-block/alpha drives. We discarded everything down to a bare hull only & set it up in the glass shop. Not true to length, the hull tape measure said it was exactly 25' long. It was lengthed at the rear, sides raised & molded. Then a deck plug was tooled & molded. Vic's brother, Curtis Chapman, also a phenomenal carpenter & mold maker, was part of this team, creating all of these new boats.

Yes and the brothers chapman were the sons of Nick.....Ed I can't remember but didn't you work in the stock room at Apache and later went with Danny over to Powerplay???

baywatch · 02-20-2009, 01:15 PM

Wow,

Some entertainment in this thread. I love it!!!

For what it is worth my 1995 36' is infact 36'. I measured it last spring when I needed dimensions for the new trailer winch stand and bow stop that I was having fabricated.

I agree with frank, I also prefer the extra foot..

MidOcean · 02-20-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed

If the Baja 302 is rumored to be related to the Apache 28, then it would have been that the Baja hull came from the Apache, not the reverse. I honestly have never bothered to compare the two. The year was, I believe 1987, while part of the team at Bob's Apache Performance Boats on 188th, we tooled a number of "new" boats. We retooled a completely new 22 hull & deck, using our original 22 sportdeck outboard & I/O boat. We had built quite a few of the original 22's, which was very popular, in just about any configuration of power you could imagine. This original boats true length was 21' 2", but was labeled a 22, to compete with the 22 Velocity of the day. The new 22 Apache was tooled as a splashwell O/B model only, negating the need for Gil brackets, as used on the previous 22's O/B version. At the same time, we tooled a 24 hull only(never finished a deck), which was a highly modified, much improved, hull design, which began as a 22 hull. It had a much wider pad, transom step, & reverse chines. Nice piece. George Linder was asked to fly in and inspect the plug just before molding, and simply stated that he could not have done a better design himself. This hull mold was never used, and was later sold to Magnum Express Powerboats in Pompano, Fl. This same year, we tooled a completely new, top to bottom, 24' Apache Princess. It was 22 degree deadrise, conventional vee, I/O only, with molded-in "euro" swim platforms. Victor Chapman built these in their entirety. These molds were never used & pushed outside to store.

Apache Princess... new tooling??? Please... Bob copied Pepe's 24' Pantera...

Panther · 02-20-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baywatch

Wow,

Some entertainment in this thread. I love it!!!

For what it is worth my 1995 36' is infact 36'. I measured it last spring when I needed dimensions for the new trailer winch stand and bow stop that I was having fabricated.

I agree with frank, I also prefer the extra foot..

What's funny is I also measured mine this morning....

I came up with 36' LOA and about 35' from lowest point on the keel to the bow.

Also, the debate on "rocker" is questionable because I also measured the rocker on a 35' Cig and a 38' Cig and the 36' Apache has significantly "less" rocker than either of those models.

As the prop turns!