free ben kramer
02-03-2009, 05:03 PM
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I Love The Fact That All Of You Seem To Care One Way Or Another.sorry For The Spelling But I Went To ****y Dade County Schools,after The Old Man Went In.fact Of The Matter Is I Read These Messages Brings A Tear To My Eye That Alot Of You Think The Kramers Give A Damn About What You Think!if You Beat Him In A Race Then You Can Talk ****.if Not Get Out Of Here With Your He Said She Said Crap Unless You New The Man I Dont Give A ****.money Is What Makes This Sport What It Is.i Dont Know Anyone Broke Thats Racing,building Or More Than A Fan.everyone Who Has Real Money Did Something To Get It.what I Love Is That If The Old Man Were Out Here Face To Face With You. Some Of You Would **** Your Pants Ha Ha.my Old Man Did His Thing And Nobody Can Say Anything Differnt.the Trophies Are There.the Races Were Over And He Was In Frist Place.every One Talks **** About Kramer And Arreno Unless Your An Arreno Or A Kramer Stay The **** Out Of It.to Those That Say Im Not The Real Son,can Blow Me.youd Half To Be Crazy To Go Around And Claim Something Like That With All You Haters Around.
02-03-2009, 05:12 PM
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It's funny how things turn around on this site. 4 years ago, Kramer was the hero and Aronow was the crook... Maybe we should go over to "seriousoffshore.com" for the alternate view.
If you play the game, be prepared to pay the price. If you live by the gun, you risk being shot. Aronow knew what he was getting into when he made the deals that he did. To demonize one while idolizing another makes no sense. They were both consenting participants. Both paid a price... a different price maybe, but a price just the same.
Will we ever see girl scouts at a Wal-Mart entrance selling brownies to raise money to get Ben out...??? I don't think so.
As far as Ben Kramer actually being the one responsible? Who knows... Imagine… You are doing time in a Federal Prison, segregated; you’re eating well, watching the days pass. A Metro Dade prosecutor approaches you with an unsolvable case and says, we have sufficient evidence to indict you for this. So, in 24 hours you could leave the comfort of the Federal system and be transported to Florida to be injected into the State system where you are awaiting trial... which, if you loose, means the rest of your life will be spent with State criminals... not Federal violators... State vs. Federal… etc. What would you do? Admitting guilt might have been the prudent thing to do... whether he did it or not.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
If you play the game, be prepared to pay the price. If you live by the gun, you risk being shot. Aronow knew what he was getting into when he made the deals that he did. To demonize one while idolizing another makes no sense. They were both consenting participants. Both paid a price... a different price maybe, but a price just the same.
Will we ever see girl scouts at a Wal-Mart entrance selling brownies to raise money to get Ben out...??? I don't think so.
As far as Ben Kramer actually being the one responsible? Who knows... Imagine… You are doing time in a Federal Prison, segregated; you’re eating well, watching the days pass. A Metro Dade prosecutor approaches you with an unsolvable case and says, we have sufficient evidence to indict you for this. So, in 24 hours you could leave the comfort of the Federal system and be transported to Florida to be injected into the State system where you are awaiting trial... which, if you loose, means the rest of your life will be spent with State criminals... not Federal violators... State vs. Federal… etc. What would you do? Admitting guilt might have been the prudent thing to do... whether he did it or not.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
02-03-2009, 05:53 PM
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It's funny how things turn around on this site. 4 years ago, Kramer was the hero and Aronow was the crook... Maybe we should go over to "seriousoffshore.com" for the alternate view.
If you play the game, be prepared to pay the price. If you live by the gun, you risk being shot. Aronow knew what he was getting into when he made the deals that he did. To demonize one while idolizing another makes no sense. They were both consenting participants. Both paid a price... a different price maybe, but a price just the same.
Will we ever see girl scouts at a Wal-Mart entrance selling brownies to raise money to get Ben out...??? I don't think so.
As far as Ben Kramer actually being the one responsible? Who knows... Imagine… You are doing time in a Federal Prison, segregated; you’re eating well, watching the days pass. A Metro Dade prosecutor approaches you with an unsolvable case and says, we have sufficient evidence to indict you for this. So, in 24 hours you could leave the comfort of the Federal system and be transported to Florida to be injected into the State system where you are awaiting trial... which, if you loose, means the rest of your life will be spent with State criminals... not Federal violators... State vs. Federal… etc. What would you do? Admitting guilt might have been the prudent thing to do... whether he did it or not.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
If you play the game, be prepared to pay the price. If you live by the gun, you risk being shot. Aronow knew what he was getting into when he made the deals that he did. To demonize one while idolizing another makes no sense. They were both consenting participants. Both paid a price... a different price maybe, but a price just the same.
Will we ever see girl scouts at a Wal-Mart entrance selling brownies to raise money to get Ben out...??? I don't think so.
As far as Ben Kramer actually being the one responsible? Who knows... Imagine… You are doing time in a Federal Prison, segregated; you’re eating well, watching the days pass. A Metro Dade prosecutor approaches you with an unsolvable case and says, we have sufficient evidence to indict you for this. So, in 24 hours you could leave the comfort of the Federal system and be transported to Florida to be injected into the State system where you are awaiting trial... which, if you loose, means the rest of your life will be spent with State criminals... not Federal violators... State vs. Federal… etc. What would you do? Admitting guilt might have been the prudent thing to do... whether he did it or not.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
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02-03-2009, 07:26 PM
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I ahve to say,,,i don't know your DAD and i did not know Don.
But i know 1 thing and its a fact ,,,I AM BROKE AND I RACE A BOAT !!!!!!!!
How is that ?!
Kid ,,,stay safe and life is all good.
And yes i think both of these named above are hero's to Offshore racing and boats.
But i know 1 thing and its a fact ,,,I AM BROKE AND I RACE A BOAT !!!!!!!!
How is that ?!
Kid ,,,stay safe and life is all good.
And yes i think both of these named above are hero's to Offshore racing and boats.
02-03-2009, 07:53 PM
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This Is Ben Kramer Son Sending Out For All Your Help.names Like My Father Maid The Powerboating What It Was In The 80s In South Fl And Around The World.but Now Alot Of People I Meet In The Buissness My Family Name Is A Bad Word To Some.like We Care How They Feel.bottom Line Fast Is Fast And Apaches And My Father Were Some Of The Fastest Around.and Hes Been Caged To Long.im Trying To Set Something Up For The Next Worlds In Key West.all Money Maid From This Event Will Go Towards Legale Deffence.if Anyone Has Any Thing They Would Like To Help Or Say Please Contact Me.if We Bring Back The Classics Sport Will Be Classic Again.
P.S. How old are you, and how often to you see your dad?
02-03-2009, 09:59 PM
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As far as Ben Kramer actually being the one responsible? Who knows... Imagine… You are doing time in a Federal Prison, segregated; you’re eating well, watching the days pass. A Metro Dade prosecutor approaches you with an unsolvable case and says, we have sufficient evidence to indict you for this. So, in 24 hours you could leave the comfort of the Federal system and be transported to Florida to be injected into the State system where you are awaiting trial... which, if you loose, means the rest of your life will be spent with State criminals... not Federal violators... State vs. Federal… etc. What would you do? Admitting guilt might have been the prudent thing to do... whether he did it or not.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
Of the many things I knew about Ben Kramer and some of the things I assumed... I knew that he was a Narcissist. Given his state, admitting to that crime may have given him some sort of pleasure... whether he did it or not.
As far as him being a "Great" racer. Come on guys... this is offshore... you really don't think there's a "talent" component to this stuff... do you??? The winners in offshore win with $$$... something Ben Kramer had plenty of.
As far as his son though, damn, that hurt my eyes reading those post. Could that really be him? If so, I don't think anyone is disagreeing your father was a great racer, but he's not getting out of a life sentence.
02-03-2009, 10:27 PM
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02-04-2009, 01:33 AM
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Scott and MM "BROKE" is when the boat don't go ! LOL and how's the weather ? +- oldschoolfan, you pop in @ Captain Parkers ever ?
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