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hotstang46 05-26-2009 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Pro1 (Post 2873063)
The Arneson should work extremely well in your application. I have a 32 Skater with Arneson ASD 7s. The drives work extremely well.



Awesome to hear they worked well for you, I'd like to hear some stats and performance figures on your boat. We're hoping they do great for us too!! I don't think in talking with rik too many people have put an arneson on a single cat near this size yet, but he mantains we will be pleased, which I'm sure we will be...... a few questions if you don't mind....

What props are you running?

Did you pick up alot of midrange accel like most?

Any more top speed?

Any porpoise?

How often do you change oil?

Cheers.....Chris:coolcowboy:

Pro1 05-26-2009 11:51 AM

I am turning 16 x 32 right now. I think I need more prop. I am going to call the guy on the 17x33's for sale. 16.5 x 30 were too small. 16.5x 34s were too much pitch. I am thinking now that the 34s I had actually were actually over pitched and were more then 34s. 1.3 gear ratio. I can turn 6000 rpm. They were Tom Abrams props and i think they were worked.

Mid range and acceleration and getting on plane are extremely good. I have no propoise now running the rocker plates down about a half of an inch. If I go to lift the plates up and run the boat loose is where the porpoise begins and you can get flighty. No need to run a boat like that.

The boat was rigged for Arnesons and you have no recognizable difference.

Pro1 05-26-2009 11:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLABvKhHBdk

There are more videos with the 32 running with a 36 skater with 900s and a 43 Nortech with 1200s. We did a fun run.

Pro1 05-26-2009 12:06 PM

Here is a 32 with Arnesons 8s and big power. I think this is jeff's boat. Rik would know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxUy_...eature=related

Derebey has a 388 skater with Arnesons and rockers and burns has a 40 skater with Arnesons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDFh9l27o8
This is really a different level of boating. It looks like they have 2 speed trans.

hotstang46 05-26-2009 10:35 PM

man......I never really realized the situation with these cleaver props. Mike from Force talked with the hering guys and they don't even stock these. If we go with them they will try to round up some props for us to try, but even if we find one that works great we can't buy.......then I guess 3 weeks to build one. I guess that puts the boat back a little bit if we got that route.....we will see, we are investigating other routes as well.

CAFormula1 05-28-2009 07:00 PM

Arnseson ASD-7's
 
I have approx 120 hrs now on my Formula 382 w/1085's. Including a couple of Catalina Ski races and 2 Miami to Key west runs.....no drive issues at all...super dependable!

The steering was a bit of a challenge to get dialed in...but it works great now. Boat handles and steers awesome...accelrates like a flat bottom!

Kevin

hotstang46 05-28-2009 09:02 PM

well, looks like we need to start with a 16.5X34 or 17X34 5 blade cleaver. Anyone have one of those used sitting around? Seems Herring doesn't have test props in that size sitting around we can even try out. I'd hate to pay for a brand new one to find out it's not what we need. I didn't realize these were so difficult to come by. It was not something I was considering when deciding wether or not to go with the cleaver vs bravo arneson kit.

hotstang46 06-22-2009 08:51 PM

Arneson Parts are in......:eek:...... I'm happy we chose to powdercoat silver, it looks real slick.

we hope to water test on wed or thurs. I will post up.:evilb:

Here's a pic of one of the arneson boxes.....and one of the engine just becuase:drink:

and for anyone who's interested here's a link to the thread I have in the force section with a bunch more boat pics
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/f...ml#post2894613

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...6/P1010001.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...6/P1010009.jpg

hotstang46 07-17-2009 09:59 PM

well....I hate reading older threads with cool subjects with people that never posted the outcome of their project. So if anyone's interested I figured I'd follow up on the progress with the boat.

I do have a post going over in the "force offshore" owner section but I'll post up here as well as I'm sure many of you guys dont go there.

So when we hit the water today after going no more than 15mph yesterday and cavitating real bad with the 34 x 16.5 and 30x16.5 cleaver I wasn't expecting too much today with the 17x30 cleaver (thank you soo much to Tony at Elminator for hooking us up with that merc cleaver to try :ernaehrung004:) Our engine is not properly tuned of course so it was still running a little rough. The boat today was able to plane. :cool: It took alot of rpm (4100) and seemed to want to fight it the whole way. But once on plane she flat out took off with even just easing into the throttle. We ran the boat for about 4 mins, and took it up to about 4200 rpms, she was doing a little over 90 and has ALOT left. Threw a cool roost as well. For anyone that hasn't followed the engine was dynoed and tuned but when installing the arneson we replaced the steel merlin heads with the new aluminum pro 1 dart heads. So tomorrow morning we meet the tuner at lake elsinore to do the tuning, now that we can get a load on the engine.

Even when I jumped off the boat today I was still dissapointed because I thought we were SOOOOO far off on props. But after talking to alot of people including RIK at arneson (who has been nothing less than a saint helping us through this) the high rpm needed to plane is just a characteristic of this style prop. Coming from bravo boats I guess it's just something I will have to get used to. However it would seem the performance once on plane MORE than made up for that. I couldn't be happier. I should have some more pics tomorrow and some performance figures tomorrow. We still don't don't know if this latest 17x30 is correct but at least tomorrow we can start to figure it out when we can open her up. I will try to get some pics of the roost tomorrow if I think of it.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../P10100051.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../P10100061.jpg

DONZI 07-18-2009 06:01 AM

Looks Great !
Rik goes above and beyond for his customers.He has always been there for me.
Intial slip on take off is the norm. You learn to throttle it up and back off as 2nd nature in no time. Maybe a ventilation tube might be worth a test also.
Ken


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