Anyone familiar with this scam??
09-16-2009, 03:10 PM
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I Get scamming emails all the time. Especially when selling stuff. I have had several people email that they want to but something I have on Ebay or Craig’s list but then when I get the payment it is a cashier’s check for double or triple the amount with a note that an error was made when their assistant went to the bank so take my amount plus an extra hundred for my time and then Western Union the difference.
I get this email and was skeptical but couldn't see where the catch was so I responded. I get another email back which explains the details but ends with I would like to talk to you but I am a deaf woman.
What is the scam?
First email.
Hello,
> I am Joy Bruce (CEO) by name and I manage a small
> moving/shipping business, I tend to operate at a high cost of
> operation and I want to cut down my expenses by employing someone in
> each city of US apart from Bothell, WA where I am, I need someone who
> will be getting mails in bulk and open the bulk mail and dispatch them
> in units to their final destinations in their respective states, for
> example, the cost of sending each mail is $36.00 by UPS and we want to
> send out 300 mails, that would be $10,800 which is too costly but we
> have a solution whereby, we ship the whole 300 mails in one package at
> the rate of $1,000 to you in your state and when you get it, you will
> open it and send the mail individually through USPS which will be $7
> to $10 each and you can see that we will have a saving. $1,000 for
> bulk shipping plus $10 for shipping individual mails which is $10
> times 300 making $3,000, so $1,000 plus $3,000, it will be $4,000, you
> can now deduct the $4,000 from the $10,800 that will have been our
> cost if we ship individually from the first time, you can see now that
> we have saved $6,800, so can you work as a mail dispatcher? If yes
> then please I need you to work for me on a part-time basis, and you
> will be paid $3,000 every month. You will be provided with funds to
> pay freight forwarder, you will be provided with funds to pay for US
> Postal Service to dispatch the individual mails to their final
> destinations upfront, you will be provided with up to $1,200 to $7,500
> as a running fund for dispatching the mails, sometimes, it may be
> packages of goods that you will be receiving and sometimes you may be
> required to pay for freight fees and shipping out of the funds we
> provide to you to pay another freight forwarder when we need the
> service of another freight forwarder, the items you will be re-mailing
> or shipping will include letters, laptops, small office printers,
> office materials, small office equipments, home theater, electronics
> and some other general consumer goods, I want to assure you that you
> will never use your own money for any expenses and you are not require
> to buy anything to begin the job, it is an open and straight forward
> job opportunity so please let me know if you are interested so that we
> can proceed forward, reply back by email for fast response, please do
> have a nice day.
Response.
Thank you so much for your interest in the job, this is not scam, the job will only take 4 to 5 hours of your time in a week and you can work whatever hours you want, the name of my Business is Buffaloes Shipping & Movers and I am located in Bothell, WA, the job is very simple once you have an address where you can accept mails and packages, and also have the time to re-mail the mails and packages through US Postal Service, sometime through some other freight forwarders, the mails and packages will contain gift cards, letters, office materials and office equipments, home theater, electronics and some other general consumer goods, you don't need any much space, they are packages you can put in your room, or in your garage. You will have to present an ID either driver's license or any other personal ID, all I wanted to ensure is that you have an ID to show to the delivery man when packages will be delivered to you and you have to show some sense of sincerity as you will be entrusted with clients mails, packages and funds to utilize for re-mailing expenses, please do let me know when you are ready to start and let me know if you have all the requirements needed for the job, you need to provide your information as well in order to proceed further, please let me have your names, contact address, phone numbers, age and your reason for taking up this job, and please note, you must be above 18 years of age to be eligible for this job, I want to assure you once again that you will never use your own money for any expenses. You are going to be employed as Associate Logistic Personnel and your employment is based on a 1099 status, your $3,000 salary will be paid through any means you wish and the re-mailing funds will be provided constantly which will never finish in order to avoid you spending your own money so when the re-mailing funds are low additional re-mailing funds will be provided, and you are not require to buy anything to begin the job, it is a straight forward job opportunity, please do let me know how we should proceed and you can get start immediately. I am a deaf woman I will have prefer we talk on phone, the phone number I gave you is with a relay program that automatically convert your voice message to a readable message that is why you will always be transfer to a voice mail when ever you are calling me.
I get this email and was skeptical but couldn't see where the catch was so I responded. I get another email back which explains the details but ends with I would like to talk to you but I am a deaf woman.
What is the scam?
First email.
Hello,
> I am Joy Bruce (CEO) by name and I manage a small
> moving/shipping business, I tend to operate at a high cost of
> operation and I want to cut down my expenses by employing someone in
> each city of US apart from Bothell, WA where I am, I need someone who
> will be getting mails in bulk and open the bulk mail and dispatch them
> in units to their final destinations in their respective states, for
> example, the cost of sending each mail is $36.00 by UPS and we want to
> send out 300 mails, that would be $10,800 which is too costly but we
> have a solution whereby, we ship the whole 300 mails in one package at
> the rate of $1,000 to you in your state and when you get it, you will
> open it and send the mail individually through USPS which will be $7
> to $10 each and you can see that we will have a saving. $1,000 for
> bulk shipping plus $10 for shipping individual mails which is $10
> times 300 making $3,000, so $1,000 plus $3,000, it will be $4,000, you
> can now deduct the $4,000 from the $10,800 that will have been our
> cost if we ship individually from the first time, you can see now that
> we have saved $6,800, so can you work as a mail dispatcher? If yes
> then please I need you to work for me on a part-time basis, and you
> will be paid $3,000 every month. You will be provided with funds to
> pay freight forwarder, you will be provided with funds to pay for US
> Postal Service to dispatch the individual mails to their final
> destinations upfront, you will be provided with up to $1,200 to $7,500
> as a running fund for dispatching the mails, sometimes, it may be
> packages of goods that you will be receiving and sometimes you may be
> required to pay for freight fees and shipping out of the funds we
> provide to you to pay another freight forwarder when we need the
> service of another freight forwarder, the items you will be re-mailing
> or shipping will include letters, laptops, small office printers,
> office materials, small office equipments, home theater, electronics
> and some other general consumer goods, I want to assure you that you
> will never use your own money for any expenses and you are not require
> to buy anything to begin the job, it is an open and straight forward
> job opportunity so please let me know if you are interested so that we
> can proceed forward, reply back by email for fast response, please do
> have a nice day.
Response.
Thank you so much for your interest in the job, this is not scam, the job will only take 4 to 5 hours of your time in a week and you can work whatever hours you want, the name of my Business is Buffaloes Shipping & Movers and I am located in Bothell, WA, the job is very simple once you have an address where you can accept mails and packages, and also have the time to re-mail the mails and packages through US Postal Service, sometime through some other freight forwarders, the mails and packages will contain gift cards, letters, office materials and office equipments, home theater, electronics and some other general consumer goods, you don't need any much space, they are packages you can put in your room, or in your garage. You will have to present an ID either driver's license or any other personal ID, all I wanted to ensure is that you have an ID to show to the delivery man when packages will be delivered to you and you have to show some sense of sincerity as you will be entrusted with clients mails, packages and funds to utilize for re-mailing expenses, please do let me know when you are ready to start and let me know if you have all the requirements needed for the job, you need to provide your information as well in order to proceed further, please let me have your names, contact address, phone numbers, age and your reason for taking up this job, and please note, you must be above 18 years of age to be eligible for this job, I want to assure you once again that you will never use your own money for any expenses. You are going to be employed as Associate Logistic Personnel and your employment is based on a 1099 status, your $3,000 salary will be paid through any means you wish and the re-mailing funds will be provided constantly which will never finish in order to avoid you spending your own money so when the re-mailing funds are low additional re-mailing funds will be provided, and you are not require to buy anything to begin the job, it is a straight forward job opportunity, please do let me know how we should proceed and you can get start immediately. I am a deaf woman I will have prefer we talk on phone, the phone number I gave you is with a relay program that automatically convert your voice message to a readable message that is why you will always be transfer to a voice mail when ever you are calling me.
Thank you so much for your interest in the job, the job will only take
4 to 5 hours of your time in a week and you can work whatever hours
you want, the name of my Business is Buffaloes Shipping & Movers and I
am located in Bothell, WA, the job is very simple once you have an
address where you can accept mails and packages, and also have the
time to re-mail the mails and packages through US Postal Service,
sometime through some other freight forwarders, the mails and packages
will contain gift cards, letters, office materials and office
equipments, home theater, electronics and some other general consumer
goods, you don't need any much space, they are packages you can put in
your room, or in your garage. You will have to present an ID either
driver's license or any other personal ID, all I wanted to ensure is
that you have an ID to show to the delivery man when packages will be
delivered to you and you have to show some sense of sincerity as you
will be entrusted with clients mails, packages and funds to utilize
for re-mailing expenses, please do let me know when you are ready to
start and let me know if you have all the requirements needed for the
job, you need to provide your information as well in order to proceed
further, please let me have your names, contact address, phone
numbers, age and your reason for taking up this job, and please note,
you must be above 18 years of age to be eligible for this job, I want
to assure you once again that you will never use your own money for
any expenses. You are going to be employed as Associate Logistic
Personnel and your employment is based on a 1099 status, your $3,000
salary will be paid through any means you wish and the re-mailing
funds will be provided constantly which will never finish in order to
avoid you spending your own money so when the re-mailing funds are low
additional re-mailing funds will be provided, and you are not require
to buy anything to begin the job, it is a straight forward job
opportunity, please do let me know how we should proceed and you can
get start immediately. I am a deaf woman I will have prefer we talk on
phone, the phone number I gave you is with a relay program that
automatically convert your voice message to a readable message that is
why you will always be transfer to a voice mail when ever you are
calling me
Yours Faithfully.
Joy Bruce (CEO)
Buffaloes Shipping & Movers
224 Winesap Rd,
Bothell, WA 98012
Tel: 206-376-0946
Fax: 206-309-3550
E-mail: [email protected]
On 9/16/09, Tread <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, I would every much like to work with you. Could you please send me
> what ever form and info. I'll need to get started?
>
>
>
> Thank you..
>
09-16-2009, 07:17 PM
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I`m not exactly sure how, but the voice-relay, deaf thing has something to do with a scam. A few years ago a guy called the place I was working and ordered 12 fuel pumps for Chevy Suburbans. He used the voice-relay thing. He said he owned a taxi company in Canada and fuel pumps were too expensive there. Needless to say, he used a bad credit card and somehow got away with about $3000 in fuel pumps. The voice-relay phone number made it difficult to find him ...
09-16-2009, 07:26 PM
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Another variation of this scam- They make an offer to buy your car, boat, or widget but unfortunately made the cashier's check out for a larger amount of money. They will ask for you to go ahead and cash the check and send them the difference back by Western Union, wire transfer, or any method. Here's the catch- the cashier's check is forged with a real account number on it, problem is the account number belongs to someone else. Example cashier's check says Wachovia Bank for Acme Boats but the routing numbers belong to McDonalds, FedEx or some other large company. You cash the check, send the over payment to the buyer (crook), by the time McDonalds and the bank catch on to the program the crook is long gone with your boat and your cash.
Couple of years ago I had someone try this when I had a Camaro for sale. I asked the joker if "this" ever works- he flat out told me yes, enough people fall for it for me to make a living.
Southwest Florida has had major problems with a ring of crooks printing their own payroll checks and cleaning up. The scumbags buy blank checks at Office Depot, print payroll checks for all of their buddies and spend the day driving around town cashing payroll checks at Walmart, Supermarkets, etc..
And they want to outlaw assault rifles?? Aaaaggghhhhh
Rick
Couple of years ago I had someone try this when I had a Camaro for sale. I asked the joker if "this" ever works- he flat out told me yes, enough people fall for it for me to make a living.
Southwest Florida has had major problems with a ring of crooks printing their own payroll checks and cleaning up. The scumbags buy blank checks at Office Depot, print payroll checks for all of their buddies and spend the day driving around town cashing payroll checks at Walmart, Supermarkets, etc..
And they want to outlaw assault rifles?? Aaaaggghhhhh
Rick
09-17-2009, 11:17 AM
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Thank for posting this cause I was surely about to go for it..Good thing I did a search first........
Thank you so much for your interest in the job, the job will only take
4 to 5 hours of your time in a week and you can work whatever hours
you want, the name of my Business is Buffaloes Shipping & Movers and I
am located in Bothell, WA, the job is very simple once you have an
address where you can accept mails and packages, and also have the
time to re-mail the mails and packages through US Postal Service,
sometime through some other freight forwarders, the mails and packages
will contain gift cards, letters, office materials and office
equipments, home theater, electronics and some other general consumer
goods, you don't need any much space, they are packages you can put in
your room, or in your garage. You will have to present an ID either
driver's license or any other personal ID, all I wanted to ensure is
that you have an ID to show to the delivery man when packages will be
delivered to you and you have to show some sense of sincerity as you
will be entrusted with clients mails, packages and funds to utilize
for re-mailing expenses, please do let me know when you are ready to
start and let me know if you have all the requirements needed for the
job, you need to provide your information as well in order to proceed
further, please let me have your names, contact address, phone
numbers, age and your reason for taking up this job, and please note,
you must be above 18 years of age to be eligible for this job, I want
to assure you once again that you will never use your own money for
any expenses. You are going to be employed as Associate Logistic
Personnel and your employment is based on a 1099 status, your $3,000
salary will be paid through any means you wish and the re-mailing
funds will be provided constantly which will never finish in order to
avoid you spending your own money so when the re-mailing funds are low
additional re-mailing funds will be provided, and you are not require
to buy anything to begin the job, it is a straight forward job
opportunity, please do let me know how we should proceed and you can
get start immediately. I am a deaf woman I will have prefer we talk on
phone, the phone number I gave you is with a relay program that
automatically convert your voice message to a readable message that is
why you will always be transfer to a voice mail when ever you are
calling me
Yours Faithfully.
Joy Bruce (CEO)
Buffaloes Shipping & Movers
224 Winesap Rd,
Bothell, WA 98012
Tel: 206-376-0946
Fax: 206-309-3550
E-mail: [email protected]
On 9/16/09, Tread <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, I would every much like to work with you. Could you please send me
> what ever form and info. I'll need to get started?
>
>
>
> Thank you..
>
Thank you so much for your interest in the job, the job will only take
4 to 5 hours of your time in a week and you can work whatever hours
you want, the name of my Business is Buffaloes Shipping & Movers and I
am located in Bothell, WA, the job is very simple once you have an
address where you can accept mails and packages, and also have the
time to re-mail the mails and packages through US Postal Service,
sometime through some other freight forwarders, the mails and packages
will contain gift cards, letters, office materials and office
equipments, home theater, electronics and some other general consumer
goods, you don't need any much space, they are packages you can put in
your room, or in your garage. You will have to present an ID either
driver's license or any other personal ID, all I wanted to ensure is
that you have an ID to show to the delivery man when packages will be
delivered to you and you have to show some sense of sincerity as you
will be entrusted with clients mails, packages and funds to utilize
for re-mailing expenses, please do let me know when you are ready to
start and let me know if you have all the requirements needed for the
job, you need to provide your information as well in order to proceed
further, please let me have your names, contact address, phone
numbers, age and your reason for taking up this job, and please note,
you must be above 18 years of age to be eligible for this job, I want
to assure you once again that you will never use your own money for
any expenses. You are going to be employed as Associate Logistic
Personnel and your employment is based on a 1099 status, your $3,000
salary will be paid through any means you wish and the re-mailing
funds will be provided constantly which will never finish in order to
avoid you spending your own money so when the re-mailing funds are low
additional re-mailing funds will be provided, and you are not require
to buy anything to begin the job, it is a straight forward job
opportunity, please do let me know how we should proceed and you can
get start immediately. I am a deaf woman I will have prefer we talk on
phone, the phone number I gave you is with a relay program that
automatically convert your voice message to a readable message that is
why you will always be transfer to a voice mail when ever you are
calling me
Yours Faithfully.
Joy Bruce (CEO)
Buffaloes Shipping & Movers
224 Winesap Rd,
Bothell, WA 98012
Tel: 206-376-0946
Fax: 206-309-3550
E-mail: [email protected]
On 9/16/09, Tread <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, I would every much like to work with you. Could you please send me
> what ever form and info. I'll need to get started?
>
>
>
> Thank you..
>
PLEASE PLEASE , tell me your kidding . Are there really people out there falling for these type things?
I cannot believe this is still a lucrative busininess for these pieces of ****........
09-17-2009, 12:36 PM
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I went through this about a month ago. Out of the blue a check drawn on a University of Alabama account for $3100 arrives at my door, unexpected, after my response to one of these e-mails. They want me to send back.(.ding, ding, ding,... my mental alarm is going off that this does not make any sense,... ) money that I do not use for office supplies for a USA based collection company. I try to contact the sender of the check, since a name and a phone number from Tenessee were on the FedEx shipping information.
Let's review, a check from Alabama, sender from Tenessee and the initial e-mail from a person who is in another country who wants me to do collection work for them here in the USA (I am an attorney).
The phone number for the sender's message box is full, there is not a message when you call (no name). I reply by e-mail, that I do NOT want this check, NOR did I give permission for a $3100 check to be sent to me. I refuse to cash the check.
I get a message that the authorities will be in contact with me for misappropriating company funds (what f*cking company funds was my reaction); so I call the local police department, give them a copy of the e-mail messages, and the check. One hour later after they investigate, it is a scam. Like an earlier post, once they get your bank account information then the scam is successful.
The night I came home from vacation this $3100 check was sitting on my doorstep in the Fed Ex envelope. Once I opened the envelope and saw the check I had thought it was a retainer for a new client, and or maybe I just forgot that I had spoken with a potential client about a case, but once I started reviewing the e-mails (that I did not open while on vacation) I soon realized that this was trouble. It was not the $3100 windfall, it was nothing but trouble, and I am glad I had the police got involved.
Let's review, a check from Alabama, sender from Tenessee and the initial e-mail from a person who is in another country who wants me to do collection work for them here in the USA (I am an attorney).
The phone number for the sender's message box is full, there is not a message when you call (no name). I reply by e-mail, that I do NOT want this check, NOR did I give permission for a $3100 check to be sent to me. I refuse to cash the check.
I get a message that the authorities will be in contact with me for misappropriating company funds (what f*cking company funds was my reaction); so I call the local police department, give them a copy of the e-mail messages, and the check. One hour later after they investigate, it is a scam. Like an earlier post, once they get your bank account information then the scam is successful.
The night I came home from vacation this $3100 check was sitting on my doorstep in the Fed Ex envelope. Once I opened the envelope and saw the check I had thought it was a retainer for a new client, and or maybe I just forgot that I had spoken with a potential client about a case, but once I started reviewing the e-mails (that I did not open while on vacation) I soon realized that this was trouble. It was not the $3100 windfall, it was nothing but trouble, and I am glad I had the police got involved.
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09-17-2009, 12:39 PM
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I have zero patience for this type of nonsense were there are victims to these scams. Gino, you will not be a victim , nor will I, but there is someone out there who will be a victim, it is inevitable.
09-17-2009, 12:54 PM
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I got a couple of those for some large ticket items i was selling, sent me a check for more than the item and then asked i send them half the difference back, like I am some kind of an idiot, played with them for a while just to waste there time and ended up giving it to the bank that the check was supposedly drawn from, they had hundreds of these fake checks from that person. Contact the banks fraud department and save all the e-mail details and forward it to them, better to help shut them down and save some poor bastard down the road.
09-17-2009, 01:15 PM
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I always f*ck with them. For instance, if I had a red Corvette for sale, and get an email from them saying they'd like to buy my "item" I always respond with something like, so your interested in buying my Ford Tractor, correct? They're so stupid they dont even know what they are responding to.
