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    Quote Originally Posted by glassdave View Post
    thats an amazing technology. How they can drill to those depths from a floating platform is just beyond me. Are there and graphical representations as to what is involved in this type of drilling?

    I like the ROV's they are very cool and could use a couple around the shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VtSteve View Post
    It would seem many are represented here, in this article about what foreigners think of this mess. Amazingly, some of the same people have been on two sides inside of a month or so.
    Nice find Steve! I wondered what the other countries were doing about their oil drillers and their safety procedures.

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    heres an interesting method of containment that could have been quickly implemented using readily available resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve 1 View Post
    I like the ROV's they are very cool and could use a couple around the shop.
    Yeah, I bet...
    you would figure out a way to put steps on em, then nitrous, then...

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    Very good video at this link about the blind shear ram. And continuing background info regarding the lack of regulation of the industry in general.

    An examination by The New York Times highlights the chasm between the oil industry’s assertions about the reliability of its blowout preventers and a more complex reality. It reveals that the federal agency charged with regulating offshore drilling, the Minerals Management Service, repeatedly declined to act on advice from its own experts on how it could minimize the risk of a blind shear ram failure.

    It also shows that the Obama administration failed to grapple with either the well-known weaknesses of blowout preventers or the sufficiency of the nation’s drilling regulations even as it made plans this spring to expand offshore oil exploration.

    “What happened to all the stakeholders — Congress, environmental groups, industry, the government — all stakeholders involved were lulled into a sense of what has turned out to be false security,” David J. Hayes, the deputy interior secretary, said in an interview.

    Even in one significant instance where the Minerals Management Service did act, it appears to have neglected to enforce a rule that required oil companies to submit proof that their blind shear rams would in fact work.

    As I've said before, the one good thing that comes out of this catastrophe will, hopefully, be better regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VtSteve View Post
    Unless they were all lying, many oil company execs told Congress that they would have handled this mess much the same way, with probably the same results.

    I doubt you could seriously tout Bush's record in business as qualifying as anything close to being an oil man. There's a reason you don;t hear too many (none) execs offering too much insight in this case. Believe it or not, I think they're flat out.
    I dont want to make this a Bush thing, soo...Clinton would have taken charge within days also. I think even that Idiot Carter would have been all over this !
    And..There is NO way the other oil execs are going to throw BP under the bus

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    Most every oil company distanced themselves (at least verbally), from BP in hearings.

    "“We would not have drilled the well the way they did,” said Rex W. Tillerson, chief executive of Exxon Mobil.

    “It certainly appears that not all the standards that we would recommend or that we would employ were in place,” said John S. Watson, chairman of Chevron.

    “It’s not a well that we would have drilled in that mechanical setup,” said Marvin E. Odum, president of Shell."

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    Interesting read from the Wall Street Journal, about what really happened in the meeting between BP and Pres Obama, and how the majority of the details had been worked out, over the previous 5 days.

    IMO: This meeting, just like the 'so called' congressional hearing, is all about political posturing, for the TV cameras and recorded "sound bites". I would really like to see our elected officials stop playing political games, and work together to get this mess cleaned up.

    BP PLC, despite being put under pressure by the U.S. government to pay for the oil-spill aftermath, has succeeded in pushing back on two White House proposals it considered unreasonable even as it made large concessions, according to officials familiar with the matter.

    BP said costs related to its oil-spill response had reached $2 billion as it continues work to contain the leak and to pay claims for damages.

    To date, more than 65,000 claims have been submitted and more than 32,000 payments made, totaling about $105 million, BP said. "It is too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident," the company said in a statement.

    BP last week agreed to hand over $20 billion—to cover spill victims such as fishermen and hotel workers who lost wages, and to pay for the cleanup costs—a move some politicians dubbed a "shake down" by the White House. Others have portrayed it as a capitulation by an oil giant responsible for one of the worst environmental disasters in history. A truer picture falls somewhere between.

    The fund is a big financial hit to BP. But behind the scenes, according to people on both sides of the negotiations, the company achieved victories that appear to have softened the blow.

    BP successfully argued it shouldn't be liable for most of the broader economic distress caused by the president's six-month moratorium on deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. And it fended off demands to pay for restoration of the Gulf coast beyond its prespill conditions.

    After the high-profile meeting of administration and BP officials on Wednesday, it was in the interest of neither to discuss such details. BP wanted to look contrite and to make a grand gesture, and the White House wanted to look tough.

    President Barack Obama came away touting how BP's money would be handed over quickly and impartially to those hurt by the spill. Not only did BP earmark the $20 billion fund but it promised an additional $100 million for Gulf workers idled by the drilling moratorium.

    But BP didn't offer a blank check. The $100 million—0.5% of the total—won't come close to covering collateral damage from the White House's moratorium.

    The drilling industry estimates the moratorium will cost rig workers as much as $330 million a month in direct wages, not counting businesses servicing those rigs like machine-shop workers.

    BP and its defenders argue that the moratorium was a White House policy decision for which it shouldn't be responsible. The final deal was structured to limit the company's exposure to such claims.

    BP negotiators also said the company won't pay for Mr. Obama's pledge to restore the Gulf of Mexico to a condition better than before the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20.

    White House officials want to use the oil-spill disaster to implement long-developed plans to restore natural marshlands and waterways. Facing record budget deficits, that pledge could founder with BP balking.

    Administration officials say the concessions extracted from BP are unprecedented. Negotiators were able to graft a deal onto the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, the main law dictating corporate responsibility in such a disaster, without having to ask Congress to change the law.

    "A blank check was never in the cards," said an administration official at the talks. But, he added, the deal hammered out "went a very long way."

    The Wednesday meeting at the White House was designed to go smoothly, the latest in a string of administration showdowns with corporate titans from General Motors to Wall Street banks. By the time BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg and Chief Executive Tony Hayward walked up the White House driveway just past 10 a.m., the company had agreed in principle to the fund. "The president knew when he walked in that we were amenable to the kind of proposal we had already agree on in principle," a BP negotiator said.

    Five days of preliminary talks between BP's hired lawyer, Jamie Gorelick, Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli, and White House counsel Robert Bauer had coalesced around the $20 billion figure.

    But the talks—with about a half-dozen people on either side—stretched longer than expected. "A lot of the work was done before, but there were a lot of details," said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in an interview. "Details matter."

    Twice, the two sides retreated from talks in the West Wing's Roosevelt Room to consult privately: On BP's ability to appeal decisions made by the $20 billion fund's independent administrator, Kenneth Feinberg; and on how far BP would go to meet Mr. Obama's request that it also aid workers hurt by the drilling moratorium.

    Both sides described the negotiations as businesslike. BP hired Ms. Gorelick, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, from the white-shoe law firm Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP, in part because of her ties to Democratic lawyers including Mr. Bauer.

    But there was one item barely discussed ahead of the meeting: assistance for workers hurt by the moratorium, which has forced 33 deepwater rigs to pull anchor. To drive home the request, the president had Mr. Bauer relay the request to Ms. Gorelick the day before, negotiators for both sides said.

    At the meeting's start, Mr. Obama told the group of his concerns about those workers, most of whom did not work for BP.

    When the president and vice president left the room, Ms. Gorelick told White House negotiators their legal position mandating BP's assistance to displaced workers was weak. White House officials conceded such workers may not be able to qualify for direct assistance under the $20 billion fund, a White House official in the room said.

    A BP negotiator said the White House position was "half-hearted" and its negotiators quickly gave up. "You won't find many lawyers who will say when the government imposes a moratorium, it's the company's obligation to help the workers impacted," the BP adviser said.

    The BP side was so confident that Ms. Gorelick suggested the two sides let idled workers submit claims to Mr. Feinberg and allow a court to decide whether the company was liable.

    A White House official said the administration believed it had grounds to push BP, but in the end, Mr. Bauer made an emotional appeal.

    He called BP's move cynical and asked why the company was "lawyering" after it told Congress and the administration it wouldn't duck its financial responsibility.

    In response to that appeal, BP's negotiators agreed to voluntarily add $100 million as "a goodwill gesture," one adviser said. The two sides didn't agree how that money would be distributed.

    BP used the word "fund" to describe the separate pot of money. The White House called it a foundation. As of Friday afternoon, they still had a long way to go to structure the fund, said a member of the team working on final details.

    —Jeffrey Sparshott contributed to this article.
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    uhhhhhhhhhhhh........ How did my thread's title get changed from Oil spill in the gulf to relief well?????????????????

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    BP didn't like the title, they thought it wasn't good for publicity

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