If I started paying again I would post in the politics forum and just get banned again and lose the money like the last three times. Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.
Then don't post in the politics.
1st I'll answer it as forum member. The membership / and their participation in the website is what gives the site it's value. Think about that for a second. Less people / less advertising dollars. Less people smaller site / less information. Less people the place is worthless. The value of the website as a whole comes from your participation / my participation and everyone elses participation.. Every time a post is made on here it raises the value of this place some fraction of a cent.
As a forum member I ask myself, why would I pay to bring value to someone elses table? It doesn't make sense..
Now here's the other side of the coin the forum owner.
I own one of the largest, and by far and away the most participated in, performance boating forum on the west coast. www.riverdavesplace.com
Being a poster first I couldn't imagine fleecing my membership for money. If the site is worth it's salt that's what the advertisers are for..
As a forum owner though I see this place and I'm jealous to no end.. You see our main site on the west coast was Hotboat (RIP), and because it was free it more or less set the standard. People are used to it and nobody is going to pay. If I were to take away privileges and charge to get them, people would just run to PB.. If PB did it, they'll all just goto my site. So we are in a catch 22.. If myself and PB both charged someone else will just start a free one.. LOL
If I could get 1/3rd of my membership to pay 40.00 a year like here I'd have an extra 70K in my pocket each year. I'd have to have a porn section or something to charge for though, and more or less "add" things, because I'm not in a position where I could take anything away.. If I did again everyone would just run to PB..
At the end of the day though.. Forum owner / and poster.. If the membership brings the value to the site, then charging for membership just seems like "double dipping" to me.
Make no mistake though, and remember that "jealous to no end" comment above.. If I figure out a way that I could sell a membership on the West coast and get away with it, I'll do it in 2 seconds flat.. I believe PB would as well. LOL
This is just more what people are used to then anythign else.. Where I'm from nobody is used to paying.. Over here people are used to it, and it's frowned upon if you don't. (on some level)
I wish I could get my membership to have that sentiment.. LOL Make my toy fund a lot bigger a lot faster!
Last edited by RiverDave; 12-10-2010 at 01:23 AM.
Once you go VIP, you never go back...
I believe this non-paying trend is a reflection of how things have changed, and are still changing...
Now before anyone takes exception, remember I was in on the early pages of Xcav8r's "real WAG" thread some 8 years ago...
The sport is dying. A slow death but death nontheless.
The "big days" as in easy $ days of the 90's that carried over by momentum into the new millenium, that was the lifeblood of the perf boat sector/demographic are gone and never to return...
That same demographic is now 10-15-20 years older, and for many the "hardcore" "dedicated to this" days have run their course as is often the case with hobbies and interests. Life changes and interests change- it's wholly natural really...
Yes, many will hang on 'cause... well, the good fast times and the memories associated are hard to let go...
the great majority, if they are staying in, aren't buying new perf boats! If they are buying it's comfort and something more all-around usable.
Or like myself looking at waterfront and a center console!?
Think about it...if you love the WATER so much (which your years perf boating certianly cemented) the natural progression of the love of the water is to live waterfront, at least seasonally, and be happy to be there, and on the water in something utilitarian and easy to keep.
Only so many hours in a day, and frankly I'd like to spend more time relaxing and less time taking care of all this stuff that doesn't pay you back in value.
also, not alot of new blood coming in to the sport either!
exhorbinant costs, tight money- you get it.
The whole feel changed here when Steve sold. Some of you will say it's still here but it's not. (see above about wanting to hang on...)
Some of the members remain, but the "feel" that this was something exclusive amongst us?
gone corporate which many of us after the last 20 years in this country just have an inherant distaste for...
Smart guy that Steve cashed out just right as very much of the writing above was already on the wall.
I belong to at least one forum for each of my interests...
there is nothing "spectacular" here to be the only one I pay for.
I have NO trouble sharing info and assistance anywhere I don't get charged, and yup, you can get porn and politics anywhere
been up all night and may not have been the most eloquent with my post but I can't imagine I'm the only one!
Few short points and I'm done:
- There is a sense of entitlement in some response that is frighteningly misguided in a free enterprise society. If all had that thinking this site would not exist, period.
- Just like life and evolving in society if idiots show up or post, move away and ignore, "don't feed the troll". No one is obligated to keep reading anything.
- Most business connection in my professional life have been made or are tied to people I have met here. I would not say that being here on OSO gets all the credit but it facilitated a lot of dealings.
- I have met and become friends with the greatest, most trustworthy and reliable friends on this site. The odd idiot shows up just as in life, I then just deal with it for what it's worth.
- The benefits I have gotten from relationships built on this site cannot be evaluated in dollars.
- If you see no value in a fee for keeping this site going by contributing and taking advantage of all this, maybe your not using this tool right... But that is your right!
As Forrest Gump says, " That's all I have to say about that"
Last edited by GLH; 12-10-2010 at 06:07 AM.
Not 'dying'... evolving. Just like everything else in life.
I prefer to take a wider view. People are always going to love boating and being on the water, and a good percentage of those people are going to want to go fast.
And, I'm with GLH on the membership thing. Can't put a price on the friendships I've made here.
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