No not same guy. Identical hull however. Force boats have a reputation world wide as being the best deep v boats under 21ft for outright speed and rough water capability. There would have to be over 10 (just in aus) running twin turbo big blocks and currently hold almost every record for australian ski race events and also are current world water ski racing champions. Since coming on the scene I have no knowledge of any spinning at high speed, and as I mentioned all the twin turbo versions run merc 6 drives. This was the only one outside the square with 8 drive. The driver said there is no loss of power when it dropped it's nose, more likely prop blowout which begs my question is there a major dimensional difference with the 8 drive that should be allowed for in set up of drive?