I agree with everything above particularly panther. I think if people that do this for a living would approach the tech section like it was thier own boat, not a customers a lot of the critical assessment of what others are doing would go away. A "for hire guy" needs to do things bullet proof. A shade tree guy not so much. So corners can be cut if the shade tree guy recognizes that fact and that he may not get an excellent result, maybe only mediocre. So the disconnect is just that. And it is this disconnect that makes this thread valid and defines why the tech section is much less than it was a decade ago. Back then we were all shade tree guys or guys just starting to make a living in the biz. There was a lot of common ground. I never felt like I could not ask a question for fear of what the responses might be of my poor thinking and judgement. That is why I ask all my tech questions on boat freaks. I never get any of that and it reminds me of OSO back when it was a bulletin board. Anyone remember those days?