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Marginmn 01-14-2012 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3593449)
ma is not bringing this lawsuit,the family of joey is,ma is the lawyer his wife hired,ma is just doing what he is being paid to do,as any lawyer would do,pearsonally,i beleive she choose a lawyer who is well versed im this type of case,i dont understand how people can bad wrap ma for doing what he was hired to do!

People are badmouthing M.A in part because he previously stated that this lawsuit was originated in order to make the sport safer- it was not about money. Now the letters he sent to sponsors have many people questioning the real motive of the lawsuit. As I state in my post, I make no judgement about anyone's motive. I do not feel that is my place. I do however agree with others that this action will have a chilling effect on future sponsorship of the sport.

I also feel that any law that allows sponsors to be sued for an event that they have no control over is ridiculous. Again, I am not bashing M.A for using that law to his clients advantage, but I do not support that law and wish it were not on the books.

kap328 01-14-2012 05:35 PM

Marginnm:
If you review my prior post number 108 you will understand which type of sponsor may or may not have some type of liability.

A managing, controlling or executive type of sponsor is what the letter seeks. This would be a sponsor, organizer, promoter who has some influence and control over how the event is managed or run.

The advertiser who pays the sponsorship fee to display a logo is not the target, nor can you attach liability for such conduct. I am not a Florida attorney, but I was informed this type of sponsorship i.e... where the party has no control does not fall under the statute cited.

Whereas if you had some say/control in how the event was run or how things were laid out then you have something to worry about.

Footnote: Marginnm I did not mean to single you out as this misconception had occurred earlier as well.
____________________________________

On the Issue of Safety:

It has been my experience that organizers and promoters are not the catalysts for safety changes in any form of motorsport or activity.

The primary industry for safety changes is insurance companies and their risk management departments. They assess incidents and then require certain criteria to be made available as part of any coverage to an event. You certainly cannot count on a promoter or organizer who's bottom line is affected to force changes. Their job is to put on the show and if they do so with certain requirements imposed by carriers and underwriters then it makes it better for everyone. In this thread alone I have read so many great points which should be adopted to make our sport much safer. However, it cannot be at the discretion of the promoter/organizer it needs some enforcement mechansim which will obtain compliance everytime or risk denial of coverage and or being hailed into a court if something does happen at their event.

If one cares to look at IIHS the acronym for Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. You will get a better idea of how risk management and safety go hand in hand. One need only look at everything from tires, toys and automobiles and you will understand. It is usually a carrier either through litigation or some type of public risk that safety changes are implemented.

In this tragedy, if certain safety mechanisms or requirements [i.e...minimum number of safety personnel] are imposed made mandatory by the insurance company providing coverage for the event. Then it will ultimately be a benefit to all involved from participants, racers and fans alike.

KAP

Marginmn 01-14-2012 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by kap328 (Post 3593605)
Marginnm:
If you review my prior post number 108 you will understand which type of sponsor may or may not have some type of liability.

A managing, controlling or executive type of sponsor is what the letter seeks. This would be a sponsor, organizer, promoter who has some influence and control over how the event is managed or run.

The advertiser who pays the sponsorship fee to display a logo is not the target, nor can you attach liability for such conduct.

"This just represents the legal system's exploitation of every possible avenue," said Scott Saunders, owner of Fury Water Adventures, who criticized Allweiss and all lawyers for such liability concerns. "We just won't have events here anymore if everyone has to be worried about liability and lawsuits. I know I won't sponsor them if I have to be worried about lawsuits, and get my insurance company involved every time."

Saunders, like other sponsors, said he simply wrote a check to the race organizers to have the Fury logo featured on advertisements, posters and other event publications.


http://keysnews.com/node/37117


Thanks for the clarification. The article stated that mere advertisers did receive the letter so I can see how people would think the worst. Most of us are on this website because we love this sport and are bound to have strong reactions to any perceived threat to it. I say that with the total realization that three deaths in a matter of days is the biggest threat and that must be rectified in order for the sport to survive.

F1-00 Racing 01-14-2012 10:16 PM

Just out of curiosity... Are any of these businesses in KW that received this letter bound to have to provide their Insurance information to Mr Alweiss? I mean doesnt it have to be subpoenaed? Is this just a scare tactic so these businesses dont advertise with JC anymore and in turn loses support of the town and KW is just nothing but a memory?

Robertjr 01-15-2012 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 3593704)
"This just represents the legal system's exploitation of every possible avenue," said Scott Saunders, owner of Fury Water Adventures, who criticized Allweiss and all lawyers for such liability concerns. "We just won't have events here anymore if everyone has to be worried about liability and lawsuits. I know I won't sponsor them if I have to be worried about lawsuits, and get my insurance company involved every time."

Saunders, like other sponsors, said he simply wrote a check to the race organizers to have the Fury logo featured on advertisements, posters and other event publications.


http://keysnews.com/node/37117


Thanks for the clarification. The article stated that mere advertisers did receive the letter so I can see how people would think the worst. Most of us are on this website because we love this sport and are bound to have strong reactions to any perceived threat to it. I say that with the total realization that three deaths in a matter of days is the biggest threat and that must be rectified in order for the sport to survive.

No matter what A True POS, he has an axe to grind! Rjr.

PARADISE ISLAND 01-15-2012 08:22 AM

They go after everybody shows typical attorney stuff!It also shows he's not doing to well with law suit!Next he'll go after all the race ORG's:eek:I'm against law suits I deal with them weekly settle move on??Again the begining of the end for boat racing let's go back and see how he handled races when he was in the drivers seat!??:bigbird:

Panther 01-15-2012 01:19 PM

I'm sure that over the course of time they'll get to the bottom of everything but, at what expense?

Our of curiosity, has the crew been notified of their liability and/or potential suit? Is the other member who was in the cockpit been notified? Perhaps JC's lawyer or the insurance co's lawers(s) would counter sue?

Was there something the crew did to the boat just prior to the race and after safety inspection that could have inhibited a timely rescue? Why did the other person get out without issue? Did the escape hatch operate properly before the race? Did the pit-crew check the harness for proper operation? When was it last serviced?

Lots of questions I'm sure the insurance company and investigators will want answered but they wont be answered definitively on OSO, that's one think I'm sure of.

HabanaJoe 01-15-2012 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 3593921)
Lots of questions I'm sure the insurance company and investigators will want answered but they wont be answered definitively on OSO, that's one think I'm sure of.

You got that right and after it's over they'll probably have a gag on it so we'll never know!

Kingofscreens 01-15-2012 07:35 PM

The difference between a catfish and an attorney is one is a bottom dwelling scum sucker and the other is a fish.

PARADISE ISLAND 01-15-2012 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Kingofscreens (Post 3594147)
The difference between a catfish and an attorney is one is a bottom dwelling scum sucker and the other is a fish.

:ernaehrung004:


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