Matt Trulio

The battle over Ethanol continues, http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-ne...ethanol-ruling

BUP

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All the marine industry especially all the OEM marine engine manufacturers has put a lot of time and some money to have it go away for them. But Gov't will win most of the time if not all of the time. Our independent organization of marine Technicians along with the NMMA and other boating groups were hugely opposed about E15.

TexasVines

if these guys were smart and forward looking they would just go ahead and use the readily available technology to make their engines E85+ compliant and compatible

ethanol can take higher compression, it is one of the preferred fuels for huge horsepower engine, it is much more environmentally compatible if spilled in water and the emissions issues are much lower

instead they would rather develop high cost, high weight, performance robbing and high failure catalytic converters and other marine emissions controls and go that routh which will drive up cost, kill performance and kill reliability

and ethanol is much cheaper than gas (there are no longer subsidies by the way) and even with the claimed mileage issues (a properly configured engine can get the same or better mileage per gallon) ethanol is still cheaper per mile/nautical mile

just silly to NOT go in that direction ASAP

Indy

"According to last Tuesday's court ruling, the opposition to E15 "failed to establish Article III standing—because they "cannot show members have suffered or are with suffering an injury in fact (due to sales of E15) that is traceable to the misfueling regulation and redressable by a favorable decision."

In other words, the ethanol industry paid them off more than the manufacturers.

Quick2500

E85 does not, and will never get the same mileage as straight gasoline. First and foremost is the BTU per gallon, ethanol comes in at a mere 65% of gasoline and couple that with the fact that ethanol requires a richer AFR than gasoline, well, you get it. Or do you? Ethanol also likes to absorb water, not good in a marine environment. It's corrosive as well. It has a place, but that place is nowhere near the tank in my boat.

formula223

They filed it in the wrong court. I am product liability attorney, I make my living in the various courts throughout the U.S. If they really wanted to cause a change they should have filed the lawsuit in Houston, not only is the city surrounded by refineries making fuel, which would have granted venue, but it is also under the umbrella of the 5th circuit court of Appeals,a court that is less than environmentally friendly and would likely have had a different outcome. Especially if consumer could show damage as a result of the use of ethanol, moreover, it could be easy to market a fuel without ethanol, and because it would be used for off road, or marine applications only it would be exempt from "road tax" making the fuel either simiiliar in cost or cheaper.

Too Stroked

Anybody who thought common sense, facts and science would win over politics is smoking something really good.

TexasVines

heat is not a measure of mileage it never has been and never will be so the discussion of BTU ot calorie content for internal combustion engines where heat is a WASTE product is meaningless

and there are plenty of examples of properly built and tuned engines that get the same or better mileage on E85 per gallon and even more so if cost per gallon and cost per mile is calculated

properly configured engines can get the same or better mileage per gallon period it is a simple proven fact and generation of heat by a fuel has nothing to do with that

and ethanol is not extremely corrosive and that is a factor that can easily be handled

it is simply laziness on the part of engine makers to not use it and it will cost them greatly in the long run as emissions tear into their reliability and performance with massively higher weights and cost which will lead boat sales to further decline

ILMOR knows all about building an ethanol engine

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n..._IRL_Ann1.html

and water in fuel is an age old issue that has readily available solutions as well.....much more readily available than cat converters for outboards or even for inboard marine engines

but hey why not ignore a product that the high performance real racing events have used for years and years and instead go with expensive and complex to build and maintain performance robbing emissions systems instead

buck35

:Okay :Sounds like a corn growers rebuttal, or someone who just fell off the turnip truck.

TexasVines

no just someone that is intelligent enough to understand what the real issues are and that corn and corn growers are just along for the ride

and engine makers that continue to ignore ethanol or worse vilify ethanol are on the way to being out of business in the long term

starting with small engines and outdoor power (that vilify ethanol the most) and then marine engine makers and the most auto engine builders if not all