That Damn Dui Thread... Crap
01-03-2003, 03:51 PM
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Good point, I stand corrected, What I really meant to get across is how I really disapprove of the emphasis put on alcohol while other forms of behavior that equally impairs driving is ignored or downplayed in seriousness and punishment.
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01-03-2003, 06:08 PM
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Trout,
I always enjoy your replies. I have heard contradicting factors to reach the .08 limit. But you are saying Prima Facia can land someone a DUI at .04 as well (by the way, I almost choked on my hamsalad sandwich when I heard there was a legal limit for commercial PILOTS!!! CDL drivers need to have a .00 limit as do pilots, I have a CDL and driving a 30K lbs truck is much differ than a car). Again, I don't want drunks all over the roads, I doubt any of us do. But I feel that a resonable discretion needs to take place. I know you have the facts, and I know you represent them honestly, that's why I enjoy your responses, but I find it hard to beleive that a middle aged parent would not be able to get a DUI under the circumstances you have talked about, after 2 20oz beers at a ball game. I may be wrong however, just from what I have understood from other sources. As far as field sob tests, I bet many of us would have a tough time passing those completely sober, then add the nervousness that comes from being stopped, etc......
Your question was why do I want a .08 driver rolling down the road, my answer is I don't. But I would rather a .08 be rolling down the road and the goverment concentrating on enforcing the current laws that target/prosecute extensively the TRUE problem..... the habitual offender. These people are the real problem in my opinion, not the barely intoxicated guy on the way home after a business meeting at 9 pm, driving just over the speed limit and porbably driving better than most 65+ year old drivers do anytime of the day. This person does not deserve the poopstorm that comes with a DUI. The .17 guy or the 4 DUI guy or the guy who wants to do 80 in a 45 while at .15 is the folks that need to be held accountable, not that I am an angel by any means.
Anywho.....I appreciate your job and your stance. I have several friends who are cops and respect them greatly for performing a job I would not want, or could not do. Inaddition, you seem to take your profession very seriously, a trate I admire no matter what the job may be.
Later, A4
I always enjoy your replies. I have heard contradicting factors to reach the .08 limit. But you are saying Prima Facia can land someone a DUI at .04 as well (by the way, I almost choked on my hamsalad sandwich when I heard there was a legal limit for commercial PILOTS!!! CDL drivers need to have a .00 limit as do pilots, I have a CDL and driving a 30K lbs truck is much differ than a car). Again, I don't want drunks all over the roads, I doubt any of us do. But I feel that a resonable discretion needs to take place. I know you have the facts, and I know you represent them honestly, that's why I enjoy your responses, but I find it hard to beleive that a middle aged parent would not be able to get a DUI under the circumstances you have talked about, after 2 20oz beers at a ball game. I may be wrong however, just from what I have understood from other sources. As far as field sob tests, I bet many of us would have a tough time passing those completely sober, then add the nervousness that comes from being stopped, etc......
Your question was why do I want a .08 driver rolling down the road, my answer is I don't. But I would rather a .08 be rolling down the road and the goverment concentrating on enforcing the current laws that target/prosecute extensively the TRUE problem..... the habitual offender. These people are the real problem in my opinion, not the barely intoxicated guy on the way home after a business meeting at 9 pm, driving just over the speed limit and porbably driving better than most 65+ year old drivers do anytime of the day. This person does not deserve the poopstorm that comes with a DUI. The .17 guy or the 4 DUI guy or the guy who wants to do 80 in a 45 while at .15 is the folks that need to be held accountable, not that I am an angel by any means.
Anywho.....I appreciate your job and your stance. I have several friends who are cops and respect them greatly for performing a job I would not want, or could not do. Inaddition, you seem to take your profession very seriously, a trate I admire no matter what the job may be.
Later, A4
01-03-2003, 11:56 PM
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If I have two beers I am drunk but if I drink two Captain and cokes I am very sober. The stuff in beer puts me out. My sister breaks out with a rash any time she drinks alcohol. And I also agree that a lot of people probably couldn't pass a field sobriety test sober. Hey who isn't very nervious when pulled over.
01-04-2003, 07:21 AM
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Troutly, just for giggles (I know you like typing 
), and BTW, great responses
Do Police agencies have a standardized test that is used to determine if the person is under the influence of drugs?. I would think that Marijuana is easy to pick up just from the smell of the person however what about the other drugs (cocaine heroin etc?). I would think that these drug users (and we know there are many more out there than the average guy thinks), have their functions altered much more than the guy that is a .10 drinker.
Obviously a drinking person is very easy to detect however someone high on cocaine may not be ( I am not sure) and I would certainly think it would be just as important to test and prosecute those drug users like the drinkers. I wouldn't doubt that a .10 driver pulled over gets twice the hassle/jail time/fines etc than the driver that is high on cocaine. Not sure but that would be my guess.
), and BTW, great responses Do Police agencies have a standardized test that is used to determine if the person is under the influence of drugs?. I would think that Marijuana is easy to pick up just from the smell of the person however what about the other drugs (cocaine heroin etc?). I would think that these drug users (and we know there are many more out there than the average guy thinks), have their functions altered much more than the guy that is a .10 drinker.
Obviously a drinking person is very easy to detect however someone high on cocaine may not be ( I am not sure) and I would certainly think it would be just as important to test and prosecute those drug users like the drinkers. I wouldn't doubt that a .10 driver pulled over gets twice the hassle/jail time/fines etc than the driver that is high on cocaine. Not sure but that would be my guess.
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01-04-2003, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Troutly
Allan,
Howver, I did look up some old data I had from past controlled testing. I stand corrected. You could get real close to .08 if you drank two 12 oz beers in a hour....if you were a female who weighs about 100 lbs or less and was in very good shape. You need to have her slam the wine, then test her right at the hour mark and it would be real close.
It would take your average 150 lb adult male 3 beers in a hour to get close to .08 . The 190 pound guy would take about 4 beers in an hour. That average 130 lb female needs about 3 beers in an hour to get close to .08 .
Allan,
Howver, I did look up some old data I had from past controlled testing. I stand corrected. You could get real close to .08 if you drank two 12 oz beers in a hour....if you were a female who weighs about 100 lbs or less and was in very good shape. You need to have her slam the wine, then test her right at the hour mark and it would be real close.
It would take your average 150 lb adult male 3 beers in a hour to get close to .08 . The 190 pound guy would take about 4 beers in an hour. That average 130 lb female needs about 3 beers in an hour to get close to .08 .
01-04-2003, 03:58 PM
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Here is a link to a program that will instantly compute your estimated blood/breath alcohol concentration ("BAC") based on the information that you have provided and return that estimate to you. It is provided by The Intoximeters Inc. and is called "Drink Wheel".
http://www.mtboats.com/drinkwheel.html
http://www.mtboats.com/drinkwheel.html
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01-04-2003, 04:08 PM
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You should learn from your mistakes and do as I do.
I always let my wife drive.
Thats right . She drives the Boat( As big as 36 foot at one time)
As well as the 1 ton dually pulling the boat.
I have never had a problem with this combination.
So teach them to drive the boat and pull the boat home.
It has worked for me for 20 years.
G
I always let my wife drive.
Thats right . She drives the Boat( As big as 36 foot at one time)
As well as the 1 ton dually pulling the boat.
I have never had a problem with this combination.
So teach them to drive the boat and pull the boat home.
It has worked for me for 20 years.
G
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01-04-2003, 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Troutly
...ya know, I was just thinking. My post count should be based on words per post. I'd been over 10,000 by now if that were the case
...ya know, I was just thinking. My post count should be based on words per post. I'd been over 10,000 by now if that were the case
Srobak, I am not at all condoning DWI by anymeans. I used to party quite a bit, but have backed way off for a number of reasons. Even when I did party alot, there were very few times I drank and drove. We used to cab it to bars all the time.
As far as checkpoints, what ever happened to probable cause?? Sure I don't want drunks swerving all over the streets, but I don't want my rights as an American ignored either. As a free society, I don't like the fact that I can be stopped for no reason and be treated as a criminal for no reason other than the fact I am driving down the road. The gray area becomes the fact that it may save lives, which we are all for ofcourse. DUI chekcpoints today, what intrusion tomorrow?? I do not want the cops going randomly door to door and looking for illegal guns, dope or $$ in every house on the block, with no PC. Sounds like socialism at it's finest, simple disregard of a citizen's right to privacy, and it is wrong. The thought is good, but the process is, by the Constitution, illegal.
Summation, I can live with DUI checkpoints because it probably save lives. But just as well, I would like to see them abolished and have the law create other more "legal" forms of enforcment. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Good night guys, need to run. Interseting reading!!!
