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    In my own opinion, we as citizens have the right to vote, we vote the politicians that are in office supposedly they are our voice.
    yet ive never been in favor of thier pay raises, or most of thier ideas, granted goverment is much more complicated than playing some board game and conquering all my beer drinking buddies.
    The detainees in Cuba, does anyone care about them hell no, but our tax paying dollars are feeding them and putting a roof over their heads, how about the millions of dollars a days we spend on the war on terrorism, trust me ive seen some of the pics of boats we've suspected as terrorist, they look just like every other ship on the ocean on a given day, stopping terrorism will never happen, Nuking Iraq or North Korea as some would like to do will cause the destruction of us all, taking these people out of power will make who ever takes over a puppet regime.
    there is no simply answer, but is it ever. thanks for all that have written in this thread, im glad it is not a pissing match.

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    Great post. Good capture of the emotion that I think we all share.

    Originally posted by insptech
    Do you even have a clue as to what a conservative believes??
    Now were talking. Why don't you rationally explain just what conservatives believe and post your list of who best represents conservatism. I'll try to find a liberal point of view that is rationally presented and we will be well on our way to a better understanding. In the mean time lets agree to quit name calling liberals and defining them according to Rush Limbo and the right wing press definitions. (Shall we explore the myth of the liberal press here or in another thread?)

    If I understand your defense of Steve 1 correctly, are you saying his hate rants are the "opinion of well spoken conservatives?" One thing for sure, you can't argue with him.

    Here is one of his debate team winners:

    "Tom you see and know the word Liberal is a Cloak it’s the name these “Useful Idiots” in this country call them selves while toddling along behind their handlers.

    Fidel Castro is a another Liberal forget the word communism Its liberalism and all the liberals love him BTW one look at Jesse Jackson and the Hollywood leftists and their fondness for Saddam and fidel

    Now Joseph Stalin That was a Great Liberal! He said “Cut the legs of the tall to match the short” Right?

    Only in this country the leg cutting is the redistribution of wealth Via Taxation and Social Programs.

    Not mentioning the fact that the Prisons are full of Liberals who believe it is ok to acquire wealth without Well lets say “without working for it”. The felon vote LOL!

    The Jews well lets say in the last thousand years they bred more for intelligence while their counter part over there married his cousin!

    The proof like I said before would be Nobel Laureates in the hard sciences Right??? Between the two groups?"
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    Tom you mentioned JFK was he a liberal? No he was an Old style Democrat. About as far from a socialist (half a communist) as you could get.

    Also your take on Hitler is Laughable he was a socialist is case you had not noticed!! The name Nazi’s definition! What is it???????????

    You seem to disagree with my take on the Jewish and the Palestinian intelligence based on an observation! Again even in the Qur’an in referring to the Jews there is a passage that goes as follows rough translation = I made you best. Now you prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’ll tell you the difference between liberals and Conservatives as I see it!!
    Engineer’s Technicians Mechanics to name a few deal with the Physical World the real world with things you touch!!

    Now some of these Liberal life long pursuit rent control apartment seeking PhD’s and their group lets say live in a theoretical world one they create by their rules. Fairy land!

    Example we (my side) live in an Entire world of absolutes I make a mistake a couple people get hurt or worse.

    An Aircraft Engineer or a Mechanic makes a mistake hundreds of People go screaming to a horrible death… Get the picture!!!!!!

    Now some By the same token a Liberal ******* Economist can be wrong his entire career and never lose his firkin Job!!

    And just to show that I am not an entirely a bad guy!!

    My oldest Son is in collage studying engineering since now days you get a Multicultural Experience I believe the ratio is 18:1 18 the clowns and 1 the American Professors I Told him that if he wanted to be a true Liberal he should pull a Point off his grade average and give it to someone who does not work hard/try and parties every night.

    I got the point across!
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    Bush and Saddam

    What do the liberals think Bush's ulterior motives are? He is already rich. He's been rich all his life. Certainly he doesn't want to put this great country that he has lived and continues to live such a good life in jeopardy just so that he can have more wealth.

    Do the people who feel Bush is only after oil and wealth have any clue about history? Do you know what kind of man Saddam is?

    Watch "Why can't they kill Saddam" on the History Channel if you want to learn something.

    Saddam is a murderer, who's dictatorship is based on fear. He began his career by trying to assasinate the President of Iraq in a street high powered gun fight. Unsuccessful, he was jailed and in jail began to study how he would take control of the country. While imprisoned, a relative of his became the president, and Sadaam became his successor. Sadaam began his dictatorship in 1979. He will torture and brutally kill anyone who even speaks against him. The people of Iraq truly believe that even in their most private estates they don't dare speak or whisper disparaging words about Saddam for fear that he is monitoring their conversation at any time and any place. The penalty for speaking against him is removal of the tongue. Political opponents are hung. People whom he wishes to get information from are placed in rooms with liquid nitrogen being dropped from various pvc pipe outlets forcing them to run around the small room and avoid contact with the falling droplets until they confess.

    Any man who addresses his public with a rifle or machine gun in his hand firing in the air is clearly a problem.

    Do you think that Saddam has nothing to do with the disappearance of Osama Bin Laden?

    Have we all forgotten that 3000 american civilians died in NYC?

    Sadaam should have been taken out in 1991 and I'm sure George Bush would like to have done it. But we lacked the resources at the time after the mission (keeping Saddam out of Kuwait) was accomplished. In addition, there is no way anyone in america would support invading Iraq in 1991, because the american public didn't understand the threat. Post Sept. 11, people still don't understand that threat, so how could it be understood in 1991.

    One more thing regarding left vs. right. Democrats always make the argument that once republicans take office, the economy falls, we become involved in wars, poverty and unemployment rises. How ignorant is that.

    Do the democrats really believe that the changes that republicans make begin to change the world overnight? What is going on today is a result of 8 years with Clinton in office. Everything looked rosey during the Clinton administration because of 8 years of republicans in office. Clinton's weak foreign policy, retreating from Somalia and Yemen, and not retaliating for the first trade center bombing demonstrated the US has no backbone. Clinton is largely responsible for the attacks on the Trade Center and the state of the union today. He understaffed and weakened the CIA to the point of no return, allowing names and photographs to be published with the media. Does anyone really understand the nature of a CIA agent's job? It's as dangerous as it gets!

    Hans Blix - what a joke. 30 years and he has never found a weapon of mass destruction. He gave N. Korea a clean bill of health. How are 7 UN inspectors going to find something that a dictator of 20+ years has hidden in his own country. Do you know how big Iraq is? "Let the inpectors do their job" the liberals say. Well their job is a failure and always will be. Why haven't they been doing their job over the past 11 years? or the past 30 years for that matter.
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    A little something to back me up.

    Ronald Reagan:

    Ronald Reagan won the Republican Presidential nomination in 1980 and chose as his running mate former Texas Congressman and United Nations Ambassador George Bush. Voters troubled by inflation and by the year-long confinement of Americans in Iran swept the Republican ticket into office. Reagan won 489 electoral votes to 49 for President Jimmy Carter.

    On January 20, 1981, Reagan took office. Only 69 days later he was shot by a would-be assassin, but quickly recovered and returned to duty. His grace and wit during the dangerous incident caused his popularity to soar.

    Dealing skillfully with Congress, Reagan obtained legislation to stimulate economic growth, curb inflation, increase employment, and strengthen national defense. He embarked upon a course of cutting taxes and Government expenditures, refusing to deviate from it when the strengthening of defense forces led to a large deficit.

    A renewal of national self-confidence by 1984 helped Reagan and Bush win a second term with an unprecedented number of electoral votes. Their victory turned away Democratic challengers Walter F. Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro.

    In 1986 Reagan obtained an overhaul of the income tax code, which eliminated many deductions and exempted millions of people with low incomes. At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression.

    In foreign policy, Reagan sought to achieve "peace through strength." During his two terms he increased defense spending 35 percent, but sought to improve relations with the Soviet Union. In dramatic meetings with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, he negotiated a treaty that would eliminate intermediate-range nuclear missiles. Reagan declared war against international terrorism, sending American bombers against Libya after evidence came out that Libya was involved in an attack on American soldiers in a West Berlin nightclub.

    By ordering naval escorts in the Persian Gulf, he maintained the free flow of oil during the Iran-Iraq war. In keeping with the Reagan Doctrine, he gave support to anti-Communist insurgencies in Central America, Asia, and Africa.

    Overall, the Reagan years saw a restoration of prosperity, and the goal of peace through strength seemed to be within grasp.

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    Caught the show, "Why can't they kill Saddam". It was really a good show with lots of points about the history of Saddam and why you see him all the time in Iraq.

    Not a very nice man, surely a dictator.

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    William Clinton: ( a disgrace )

    Clinton became the 42nd U.S. president following a turbulent political campaign. He overcame vigorous personal attacks on his character and on his actions during the Vietnam War, which he actively opposed. The “character issue” stemmed from allegations of infidelity, which Clinton refuted in a television interview in which he and Hillary avowed their relationship was solid. Throughout his term in office, Clinton was dogged by allegations relating to the Whitewater real estate deal in which he and Hillary were involved prior to the 1992 election. Though the Clintons were never accused of any wrongdoing, partners in the venture were convicted of fraud and conspiracy in a trial in 1996.

    Congress approved a waiting period for handgun purchases (the Brady Bill), and a national service program.

    (Hello liberals, criminals don't use legally registered guns to commit crimes. In fact when you outlaw guns like semi automatic rifles, their owners are more likely to keep them illegally rather than turn them in for a measly $50 bucks. Those illegal guns then get sold on the black market and used in crimes.)

    In 1996, aided by a booming economy, Clinton won reelection to a second term, becoming the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to do so.

    (Booming economy because of residual Reaganomics)

    However, the character issues that had followed Clinton for years soon began to emerge once again. A series of investigations was begun to determine whether Clinton and Vice President Gore had participated in questionable fund-raising practices in their 1996 campaign.

    As his tenure wore on, Clinton came under increasing pressure from Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel who in 1994 took over the investigation of the Clintons' involvement in the Whitewater land deal. Over time, Starr's brief was expanded to include other matters, such as the death of White House lawyer Vincent Foster, the handling of firings in the White House travel office, and shocking allegations of sexual misconduct by Clinton.

    (And the left thinks Bush is seeking control of oil??? Look at this greedy, power hungry moron. It's proven, and we don't even have to get into infidelity)

    In Jan. 1998, Clinton was called to testify in a long-pending sexual harassment suit brought against him by Paula Corbin Jones, a former Arkansas state employee. In his testimony, Clinton denied that he had had a sexual relationship with a young White House intern, Monica Lewinsky, and that he had attempted to cover it up. Although a federal judge in Arkansas threw out the Jones sexual harassment suit in April 1998, by this time the Lewinsky affair had become the focus of Kenneth Starr's investigation as well as a national obsession.

    Finally, on Aug. 17, 1998, after relentless media attention, leaks, and news of Lewinsky's upcoming testimony, Clinton made history by becoming the first U.S. president to testify in front of a grand jury in an investigation of his own possibly criminal conduct. In an address to the nation that evening, he admitted to having had an “inappropriate relationship” with Lewinsky, but reaffirmed that he did not ask anyone to lie about or cover up the affair.

    Paradoxically, however, in spite of the scandalous outcome of events, Clinton's overall popularity among Americans remained high. The country seemed willing to ignore his weaknesses in character, much as they did in the 1992 elections, as long as the economy was good, his policies were popular, and the United States remained strong abroad.

    On Sept. 9, Starr—a conservative Republican whose investigation was seen by Clinton supporters as a politically inspired vendetta—delivered his report to the House of Representatives. While the report outlined 11 possible grounds for impeachment, none stemmed from the initial subjects of the investigation, including the Whitewater real estate deal. The real focus of the accusations seemed to be Clinton's moral conduct, and the “Starr Report” graphically detailed his sexual affair.

    Despite the American population's general disapproval of a trial (which was reflected in poll after poll), Congress moved forward in its highly partisan impeachment proceedings and on Dec. 19, Clinton became the second president in American history to be impeached. Two of the four articles of impeachment passed (Article I, grand jury perjury, and Article III, obstruction of justice), the votes drawn along party lines. After a Senate trial in Jan.–Feb. 1999, Clinton was acquitted on both counts.

    (actually I guess we have to go into his infidelity - THE SAME PUBLIC WHO TRUSTED THIS MAN NOW DOUBT'S THE MOTIVES OF GEORGE W. BUSH - with no support for the argument).

    While the impeachment trial overshadowed all other activity in Washington for a good portion of 1998, Clinton was forced to respond to continued problems with Iraq at the end of the year. In December, Saddam Hussein blocked a weapons inspection by the United Nations. The UN responded with airstrikes that would continue on a nearly daily basis for the next three months, and then off and on through the spring and summer, as Iraq taunted the U.S. and its allies further by shooting at jets patrolling the no-fly zones set up after the Persian Gulf war.


    On Jan. 19, 2001, the day before he left office, Clinton agreed to a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license and his paying of a $25,000 fine to the Arkansas Bar Association. In exchange, Kenneth Starr's successor, Robert Ray, agreed to close the Whitewater probe, ending the threat of criminal liability for Mr. Clinton after he left office.
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    George W. Bush:

    Bush has earned a reputation as a compassionate conservative who shapes policy based on the principles of limited government, personal responsibility, strong families and local control.

    President Bush is pursuing the same common-sense approach and bipartisan spirit that he used in Texas. He has proposed bold initiatives to ensure that America's prosperity has a purpose. He has also addressed improving our nation's public schools by strengthening local control and insisting on accountability; reducing taxes on <b>all taxpayers</b>, especially for those Americans on the fringes of poverty; strengthening the military with better pay, better planning, and better equipment; saving and strengthening Social Security and Medicare by providing seniors with more options; and ushering in the responsibility era in America.

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    Tom here you go just trying to be neighborly, here is your side!! Exemplified, since you have a fetish for long winded copy/paste this is all over the Internet.

    The Clinton Crime List (Partial)

    Lying Under Oath as President - 2 times
    Lying Under Oath as Governor - 5 times
    Lying Under Oath as Attorney General
    Lying Under Oath in a Deposition
    Lying Under Oath to a Grand Jury
    Lying Under Oath as a Lawyer
    Abuse of Power
    Obstruction of Justice
    Bribe Solicitation
    Taking Bribes
    Bribery of Cabinet Members
    Bribery of State Officials
    Commercial Bribery
    Commercial Bribery Receiving
    Illegal Gift-Taking
    Falsifying Business Records
    Misapplication of Property
    Criminal Use of a Computer
    Misuse of Franking Privilege
    Receiving Dual Compensation
    Receiving Unlawful Gratuities
    Malfeasance of Office
    Subornation of Perjury
    Perjury by Inconsistent Statements
    Criminal Trespass
    Witness Intimidation
    Witness Tampering
    Jury Tampering
    Tampering With Physical Evidence
    Tampering With Public Records
    Ethics Violations
    Intentional Interference in the Administration of Justice
    Refusing to Assist a Judicial Officer
    Hindering Prosecution in the First Degree
    Hindering Prosecution in the Second Degree
    Unlawful Contact in the First Degree
    Civil Contempt of Court
    Criminal Contempt of Court
    Contempt of Congress
    Contempt of the American People
    False Information or Report
    False Accusation
    False Testimony
    Factually False Testimony
    False Swearing
    Unworn Falsification
    Misappropriating Funds
    Marital Misconduct
    Serious Misconduct
    Professional Misconduct
    Official Misconduct
    Notorious Misconduct
    Misconduct Involving a Controlled Substance
    Obstruction of the Judicial Process
    Misuse of Confidential Information
    Interference With Official Proceedings
    Grand Larceny
    Cruelty to Animals
    Obstruction of Highways
    Substance Abuse
    Evidence Suppression
    Illegal Foreign Campaign Funding
    Aiding and Abetting Espionage
    Aiding and Abetting Foreign Dictators
    Aiding and Abetting Arsonists
    Aiding and Abetting a Known Felon
    Aiding and Abetting Terrorists and Terrorist Organizations
    Terrorist Threatening
    Providing Material Support to Terrorists
    Engaging in Transactions with Terrorists
    Improper Exports of Sensitive Technology
    Attempted Intimidation of Prosecutors
    Failure to Declare Income
    Failure to Investigate Drug Trafficking
    Scheme to Defraud
    Real Estate Fraud
    Voter Fraud
    Mail Fraud
    Wire Fraud
    Interstate Transportation to Defraud
    Destruction of Business Records with Intent to Defraud
    Criminalizing Frauds on Financial Institutions
    Use of State Police for Personal Purposes
    Illegal Loan Extraction
    False Reports by Medical Examiners and Others Investigating Suspicious Deaths
    Improper Futures Trading
    Illegal Use of the Executive Branch
    Character Defamation
    Destruction of Evidence
    Political Espionage
    Money Laundering
    Criminal Negligence
    Possession of False Papers
    False Acknowledgment
    False Declaration Before a Court
    Wrongful Handling of Public Documents
    Concealing or Covering Up of Material Fact
    Misprision of Felony
    Criminal Deception
    Disclosure of Confidential Information
    Failure to Account for Public Money
    Receiving or Concealing Stolen Government Property
    Failure to Deposit Federal Monies
    Wrongful Solicitation of Embezzlement or Gifts
    Use of a Public Building to Solicit Political Funds
    Accepting Fee for Federal Employment
    Offering to Procure an Appointive Public Office
    Taking Illegal Kickbacks
    Investing Racketeering Income
    RICO Conspiracy
    Conspiracy to Conceal
    Conspiracy to Murder
    Conspiracy to Engage in Racketeering
    Conspiracy to Defraud the Federal Government
    Wrongful Destruction of War Records
    Malicious Injury to Property
    Acquiring an Enterprise Through Racketeering
    Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property
    Offering Gratuities or Graft to a Public Official
    Soliciting or Accepting Illegal Gratuities
    Offering Gratuities to a Witness
    Seeking or Accepting Illegal Compensation
    Influencing or Injuring Officers, Jurors or Witnesses
    Obstructing Agency Proceedings
    Obstructing Criminal Investigations
    Threatening Victims, Witnesses or Informants
    Harassing Victims, Witnesses or Informants
    Retaliating Against Victims, Witnesses or Informants
    Falsely Making or Forging a Public Record
    Falsely Making or Forging a Document
    Uttering or Publishing a False Public Record
    Transmitting a False Record to the United States
    Misuse of Government Files
    Desecration of Federal Ethics Laws
    Judicial Intimidation
    Conflict of Interests
    Illegal Campaign Activity
    Misuse of Corporate Assets
    Ordering Politically Motivated Audits
    Ordering Politically Motivated Investigations
    Timing of War Influenced by Political Considerations
    Foreign Influence Peddling
    Regular Influence Peddling
    Providing False and Misleading Testimony
    Misapplying Funds
    Criminal Violation of the Privacy Act
    Evisceration of the Right to Habeas Corpus
    Misuse of Taxpayer Funds
    Interfering with a Court Order
    Theft of Government Property
    Abuse of Taxpayer Financed Travel
    Anti-American Espionage
    Jeopardizing National Security
    Aiding and Abetting Drug Traffic
    Aiding and Abetting Organized Crime
    Aiding and Abetting Terrorism
    Murder by Accessory by Witness Tampering
    Murder by Accessory by Forgery
    Solicitation to commit murder by accessory
    Accessory to Multiple Deaths
    Accessory to Murder in the Second Degree
    Accessory to Aggravated Murder
    Accessory to Felony Murder
    Accessory to Criminal Libel
    Accessory to Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution
    Accessory to Arson
    Accessory to Criminal Negligent Burning
    Accessories After the Fact
    Accessory to Abduction
    Accessory to Causing Mental Harm to a Child
    Custodial Interference in the First Degree
    Child Endangerment
    Cruelty to Persons
    Sexual Harassment
    Indecent Exposure in the Second Degree
    Indecent Assault
    Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress
    Malicious Wounding
    False Imprisonment
    Sexual Abuse of Employees
    Lewd and Lascivious Conduct
    Exchange of Promotions or Benefits for Sexual Favors
    First Degree Sexual Assault
    Second Degree Sexual Assault
    Third Degree Sexual Assault
    Fourth Degree Sexual Assault
    Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
    Statutory Rape
    Sexual Battery
    Intent to Rape
    Suspicion of Rape
    Forcible Rape
    Oral Copulation
    Misdemeanor Sexual Assault
    Sexual Misconduct in the First Degree
    Criminal Sexual Conduct by Force and Coercion
    Unlawful Sexual Contact
    Unlawful Sexual Activity with a Minor
    Consensual Digital Penetration
    Lewd Proposal
    Sexual Battery
    Penetration by a Foreign Object
    Failure to Register as a Sexual Offender
    Dereliction of Duty
    Corrupting Public Discourse
    Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor
    Unfit to hold a law license
    Conduct Unbecoming a President
    Impersonating a Public Servant
    Squandering the Public Trust
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