And one other comment, just from trying to upgrade from my past boats - RESALE MATTERS. I'm sure Sabre is great, so is Kryptonite etc., but unless you have money to piss away, resale matters for all of us who have a boat for a season or two and want to move up in a short time period. Those of you who jumped all over the new guy who posted blue book values- lets have a dose of reality. This is a hobby for most of us. Is there any harm in giving someone advice that as well as a SOLID offshore boat, they may want an offshore boat they can sell when they're ready to upgrade (as they inevitably will)? I'd love to own/drive one of Dale Jr.'s race cars, but I hardly think I would want it as a daily driver......or to sell it in the weekly pennysaver for anywhere near what it cost to build!