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  1. #41
    Registered impulsive's Avatar
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    Steve, try now.

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    for those kind of prices the bottom end is probably import. i would never buy an engine with an imported crank or rods... those parts are too important.
    i have been looking at building my own 572's and it can be done fairly reasonably but it only costs a little more to go first class.


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    I agree with totalmp. If your starting from scratch, you'll be better off in the long run have the motors built by a performance builder. You are basically re-rigging your motor and that takes skill to do it right. It will probably cost more, but for piece of mind it is worth it.

    On the other hand, if you are repowering, the long block is a good way to go. Like I said before, I replaced my 454s with the 502s. To swap the motors only cost $1,000 per motor in labor. This is not rocket science. Almost any experienced/skilled mechanic can do it. My truck mechanic did mine in 1 1/2 days. I have known him for yrs. and trust him, and knew he could do it. He has a 10 sec 1/4 mile car so he knows the importance of doing things right the first time!

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    Originally posted by totalmp
    You get what you pay for. Decent parts to build a 600+" engine cost more than that.

    Dart or Merlin Block: 2,000.00
    ARP fasteners: 200.00
    Callies Crank 900.00
    Oliver forged rods 885.00
    JE pistons 700.00
    Balancer 279.00
    Neutral flywheel 150.00
    Rings 200.00
    Bearings 165.00
    Camshaft 350.00
    timing set 100.00
    lifters 450.00
    Pushrods 125.00
    Cylinder heads 2000.00
    Head bolts 200.00
    Roller rockers 210.00
    head gaskets 75.00
    misc parts 100.00
    machine work 750.00


    This doesn't include any assembly. Keep in mind that 700 HP is not easily achieved, and for reliability the engine must have good parts and be meticulously assembled.


    1800runs new & Recon do a tremendous amounts of volume . Combined they might be the largest engine re manufactures in the country. What kind of buying power do you think they hight have? I would assume if you are buying 1000's of sets of anything you are not going to pay anywhere near retail. I would also think there suppliers would go out of there way to get them the best price possible not to loose an account that large. what you pay and they pay is like comparing Mom & pops hardware store to Home Depot.

    As for what these high end engine builder charge. I personally know Jim Yates's( pro stock champion) engine builder . He seen what they charge for these 800+ hp marine engines & he knows what it cost to build them. all he did was laugh. Us boat guys have to much $$$ to burn.

    I cant wait to see how well these recon engines preform after a few seasons.... Time will tell....... I for sure am very interested.
    If it aint broke .... I can break it....

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    Registered BRUCE SEROFF's Avatar
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    this is very interesting...

    someone should contact these guys and offer to be a guinea pig for a discount price. If the motor holds up, they'll be building lots of HP marine engines for sure.

    If I didnt just spend 8k on a new motor, I would volunteer. Hell, I still may, down the road for a spare.

    But for now, I'll wait to see the results of the first volunteer.

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    A very common misconception in the boating industry is that drag race engines are the same as marine engines. I personally know of several drag race builders who found out the hard way that there's alot more to it than the car stuff, ie. World Products, Merlin. Marine engines always remain under a very tough load, and Poker runs are alot longer than 1/4" mile. This is why the cost of marine engines are so high. When have you ever seen a drag race engine with a warranty. I agree that some builders are astronomically priced, but there are a few of us who are down to earth.
    I hope this new engine works great, it would be really good for the sport, but I wouldn't bet on it. You can build 500 HP on an assembly line, but you can't build 750HP in mass quantity and expect it to live, ask Mercury.

  7. #47
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    If I get 10 of you to give me $250.00 each, I will be the guinea pig and put up the rest and volunteer. In exchange I will let you know exactally all about it. That seem fair, $250 for 10 inquiring minds.
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    Team Dysfunctional Charter Member Hot Boat's Avatar
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    You should also look into Ron Sporl Performance. He has been in the back of power boat mag. advertising for years. He list a 555ci 600 hp for $9,995 and a 600 ci 675 hp for $12,995 .

    He has supercharged motors also. 540 ci 800 hp $22,500 and a 600 ci 1000 hp for $35,000. These prices are from a may 03 issue of powerboat mag.

    I did some research on him a few years back and he didn't sound to bad. I never heard a bad word about him on the board either. A while back when one of my engine builders cracked my block I got a bare block from ron. my new engine builder was impressed with what they sent me.
    If it aint broke .... I can break it....

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