Just a final thought from me. I've been going to offshore races since the very early 80's, not for the racing ( hell, there wasn't much you could actually see) but to observe and learn from the hardware and what survived the day. My interest in serious poker run rigs was triggered the first time I saw Smok'n Joe, from that moment everything changed for me. That boat was built to be fast and safe ( all things considered) yet it wasn't a "race" boat. I guess things haven't changed today all that much except, to see the baddest, fastest, most exotic hardware in this country you no longer go to the races but instead attend a couple of the big poker runs where the only limits are the imagination and money ( God bless America ) I started this thread to get the pulse of why more and more runs are being canceled cause that's my real concern, believe it or not, people have accused me of "taking the fun out it for them" by raising the bar with my turd . It looks to me that , for the most part, it's not about the hardware, (they dig drooling over it as I did with Smok'n Joe and still do when I look at pics from NY), but more about the increasing entry fee's. As long as there is real interest, somebody's gonna figure out how to get the entry fee's down and still make money ( more real sponsorships, fee's based on boat size or speed, food on a buy what ya want basis, pay at the door parties, smaller hand awards, hell I don't know???) bottom line, fee's are more easily changed than attitudes so somebody figure it out so I still have a chance to run beside Fiore for a moment and then enjoy watching him "leave"