Interesting web site. Because they don't seem to say who they are but after reading the pages I got the impression they would like to be seen as an independent testing source I decided to find out who owns the site. Here are the results from a WHOIS lookup:
Registrant:
Simrek
137 Pacer Drive
Henrietta, NY 14467
US
(585) 334-0531
Fax585) 334-8659
Domain Name: DRIVECOOLERS.COM
Administrative Contact:
Kermis, Paul simrek@driveshowers.com
137 Pacer Drive
Henrietta, NY 14467
US
(585) 334-0531
Fax585) 334-8659
Technical Contact:
Kermis, Paul simrek@driveshowers.com
137 Pacer Drive
Henrietta, NY 14467
US
(585) 334-0531
Fax585) 334-8659
Record last updated 12-28-2002 10:13:52 AM
Record expires on 06-04-2008
Record created on 06-04-2002
Domain servers in listed order:
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Funny how they list false claims and warn you to and I quote "Remember, there are no truth police. These claims are only dishonest, not illegal. So, "let the buyer beware"!! "
Yet they fail to mention that they meaning Simrek owns that web site.
Honesty? False Claims? Who are they trying to fool? Obviously YOU, the performance boater simply by not mentioning that drivecoolers.com is owned by driveshowers.com AKA Simrek.
Just my 2 cents worth of curiosity spouting off here.
Makes one question all the independent test results that "Simrek" has on their website. Propaganda or did these magazines like HotBoats and PowerBoat really perform their own testing?
We rigged up a pressure gauge to a 3 way valve so we could test pressure and then switch the valve to a blowoff line to run through the shower head. Here's one of the pickup styles that was tested. It's results were, at wide open throttle, trim tucked all the way in, it wouldn't break past 20lbs of water psi. At half trim the water psi drops to 8lbs, which is significantly less water flow. Trimmed all the way up, the water psi drops below 2 lbs, and the water flow to the shower literally shuts off. The new Dana pickup design will maintain 18-20 lbs of water psi with the drive trimmed up. The volume of water flowing through the Dana pickup at full up trim is shown in the picture of the shower spraying straight down. The gauge below shows 33 lbs of water psi, this is with the drive almost to half trim, with the drive tucked all the way in our pickup developed 40 lbs of water psi.
What kind of water flow are you getting (gpm)? Pressure is just that, pressure. You can have 100psi and only 1 gpm or you can have 20psi and have 50gpm. I'm curious why some of you guys are advertising pressure vs. water flow or drive oil temp before and after. Any data on drive oil temp before and after installing your shower?
What kind of water flow are you getting (gpm)? Pressure is just that, pressure. You can have 100psi and only 1 gpm or you can have 20psi and have 50gpm. I'm curious why some of you guys are advertising pressure vs. water flow or drive oil temp before and after. Any data on drive oil temp before and after installing your shower?
Your design is a knock-off of the Simrek and I stand by that just as I did on the Hotboat.com thread. At least when I introduce a new product it has some originallity to it in both function and looks.
I just read that 'Hotboat' thread and was pretty disgusted. Not hugely, but enough that I'd call it that.
Vette, If you are going to come out and totally discredit another competitors product, do it with facts ie: test results. Not 'best, better, worse' etc,etc.
I don't typically get into things like this, but I've had my fair share of this happening to me. All words, no facts.
FYI: credibility goes down somewhat when attacking another business in the same industry. More to you, some to the attacked company, and believe it or not, some to the rest of the industry.
Was it a major attack ? No. But it was up there.
Outside testing is even more believable then in house.
Does the dual pickup Bravo 1 style also fit the ITS? If not are you going to make a dual pickup model for the ITS? The pickup does look like a clean install.
Does the dual pickup Bravo 1 style also fit the ITS? If not are you going to make a dual pickup model for the ITS? The pickup does look like a clean install.
Dave
No it will be different. It's in the plans Dave but I don't have a time frame to give you presently. Thanks
I just read that 'Hotboat' thread and was pretty disgusted. Not hugely, but enough that I'd call it that.
Vette, If you are going to come out and totally discredit another competitors product, do it with facts ie: test results. Not 'best, better, worse' etc,etc.
I don't typically get into things like this, but I've had my fair share of this happening to me. All words, no facts.
FYI: credibility goes down somewhat when attacking another business in the same industry. More to you, some to the attacked company, and believe it or not, some to the rest of the industry.
Was it a major attack ? No. But it was up there.
Outside testing is even more believable then in house.
My 02.
I agree, I was in the wrong and I email Mike at Rex Marine on Nov 13th and apologized after our little run in on HotBoat. It started out very innocent and progressed to where it ended. I will say it wouldn’t have gone where did if Rexone was not the mediator of the thread. Mike decided to restart that tread two weeks ago after being dormant for over 6mos almost 7 and then posts a link here on OSO to let everyone here know about our little spat. I again find myself having to apologize for something I did almost 7mos ago and on another forum. I still have the email.
Just so you guys know we sent Rex Marine all our data we got when testing their “It’s Cool” shower when it first came out (water flows, drive oil temps, pressures, all at different speed 30-100 mph and drive angles up till it stopped flowing water). I even recommended some design mods to their pick-up to get more water flow. All because I wanted to be friendly competitors and this is the thanks I get. Wow.
The customer has the right to know how well the drive showers they are buying will perform. Pressure is not the measure on how well a shower performs. It would be nice to know on average what kind of oil temp one could expect after installing any brand name drive shower. Cooling the drive oil is why you buy them, we make them to cool the drive oil. So why don’t all manufactures of drive showers give the customer the simplest data like drive oil temps? It’s not hard to get. We supply water flow and drive oil temps in graph form, yes it is our data and we stand behind it. Our customers will get the same results.
I agree, I was in the wrong and I email Mike at Rex Marine on Nov 13th and apologized after our little run in on HotBoat. It started out very innocent and progressed to where it ended. I will say it wouldn’t have gone where did if Rexone was not the mediator of the thread. Mike decided to restart that tread two weeks ago after being dormant for over 6mos almost 7 and then posts a link here on OSO to let everyone here know about our little spat. I again find myself having to apologize for something I did almost 7mos ago and on another forum. I still have the email.
Just so you guys know we sent Rex Marine all our data we got when testing their “It’s Cool” shower when it first came out (water flows, drive oil temps, pressures, all at different speed 30-100 mph and drive angles up till it stopped flowing water). I even recommended some design mods to their pick-up to get more water flow. All because I wanted to be friendly competitors and this is the thanks I get. Wow.
The customer has the right to know how well the drive showers they are buying will perform. Pressure is not the measure on how well a shower performs. It would be nice to know on average what kind of oil temp one could expect after installing any brand name drive shower. Cooling the drive oil is why you buy them, we make them to cool the drive oil. So why don’t all manufactures of drive showers give the customer the simplest data like drive oil temps? It’s not hard to get. We supply water flow and drive oil temps in graph form, yes it is our data and we stand behind it. Our customers will get the same results.
Jason
Oh Jason... where do I start?
I guess right at the top. If you sent an email I never received it. Now hotboat's email is a little screwed up so I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt on it. But, our little runin on Hotboat would have never occurred if you had not slammed my product. If you'll review the thread I said nothing to you until you slammed our product on about your third spam post. I don't run around the various boards arguing with competitiors or bashing their products. But if you bash my stuff you'll likely hear about it as you did on Hotboat.
Next, while I am a moderator on certain forums on Hotboat, Outdrive Tech isn't one of them. Me having a presense on Hotboat had nothing to do with it so again you are out of line and off base by insinuating there was some preference on Hotboat as to the reason I responded to your attack on my product. I'll respond to you anywhere you choose to slam my product including here. My moderator presense on Hotboat is to deal with forum rule issues, nothing more, nothing less.
Next, I posted recently on the hotboat thread in response to a prior inquiry from a member there. Had nothing at all to do with what happened 6 mo prior nor with you.
As far as today's link you started in on a subject again I had already explained and I didn't feel like retyping any reply over, nor did I feel the need to listen to you again ridicule Simrek whose product you obviously knocked off, nor give you the opportunity to slam my product again which I'm confident was coming based on the Hotboat incident... easier that everyone just knows the whole story up front and my original response to you on it.
As far as you sending data on our product I know of know such data or effort. And after knocking off Simrek why would I believe you would want to improve our product. This is getting amusing.
As far as flow through a given orifice size, in our case .400", it is what it is at any given pressure. Not a real rough thing to figure out. Vary the orifice size obviously the flow will change accordingly. At .400" we don't have a flow problem.
I guess right at the top. If you sent an email I never received it. Now hotboat's email is a little screwed up so I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt on it. But, our little runin on Hotboat would have never occurred if you had not slammed my product. If you'll review the thread I said nothing to you until you slammed our product on about your third spam post. I don't run around the various boards arguing with competitiors or bashing their products. But if you bash my stuff you'll likely hear about it as you did on Hotboat.
Next, while I am a moderator on certain forums on Hotboat, Outdrive Tech isn't one of them. Me having a presense on Hotboat had nothing to do with it so again you are out of line and off base by insinuating there was some preference on Hotboat as to the reason I responded to your attack on my product. I'll respond to you anywhere you choose to slam my product including here. My moderator presense on Hotboat is to deal with forum rule issues, nothing more, nothing less.
Next, I posted recently on the hotboat thread in response to a prior inquiry from a member there. Had nothing at all to do with what happened 6 mo prior nor with you.
As far as today's link you started in on a subject again I had already explained and I didn't feel like retyping any reply over, nor did I feel the need to listen to you again ridicule Simrek whose product you obviously knocked off, nor give you the opportunity to slam my product again which I'm confident was coming based on the Hotboat incident... easier that everyone just knows the whole story up front and my original response to you on it.
As far as you sending data on our product I know of know such data or effort. And after knocking off Simrek why would I believe you would want to improve our product. This is getting amusing.
As far as flow through a given orifice size, in our case .400", it is what it is at any given pressure. Not a real rough thing to figure out. Vary the orifice size obviously the flow will change accordingly. At .400" we don't have a flow problem.
Mike, I asked a simple question about oil temp and agreed with you, CP and minxguy on drivecooler.com and you assume I was product slamming. So here we are again. Let it go. Grow up. Stop already.
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