496 CMI header myth?

Back4More · 05-29-2009, 12:03 PM

Once and for all, are the CMI E-tops or the Sport tubes netting any real speed gains?

Pismo10 · 05-29-2009, 02:19 PM

496HO in a Donzi 22 Classic switch from stock to CMI 496...zero gain. I am sure they would help with other changes. Blower, heads, cam, etc.

Hang Time 27 · 05-29-2009, 09:51 PM

that would seem to follow what happens with most computer controlled car engines, - in that you have to change the program to really take advantage of any changes to the engine package.

Back4More · 05-30-2009, 09:46 AM

Yeah. thats what I was thinking...
It might be a good combo with the Whipple ECM tune.

Keith Atlanta · 07-10-2009, 05:56 PM

Did anyone get dyno numbers on the Etop yet?

Anyone have performance gains?

Rage · 07-11-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta

Did anyone get dyno numbers on the Etop yet?

Anyone have performance gains?

BobL dynoed the Lightening, Dana Torque Flow and (recently)CMI Sport Tubes on a 496. The HP gains for all three with out tuneing mods were in the 20's. The CMI and Dana published HP gain numbers for a 496 were in the 60's.

dana marine products · 07-11-2009, 12:06 PM

Dana Marine results are up to 48 HP on a 496 HO. As 496 engines will see up to a 5 percent difference in stock HP output, it will greatly depend from one application to the next. The engine we dyno'd ran 433 HP stock and 478 HP after the exhaust install.

Bob L's dyno is a wet dyno, where most dyno test are not. The dyno test that we performed was on a DTS4000 SAE certified dyno which is not a wet dyno. Bob L has this information documented in his testing. A wet dyno will have different HP results as it is mixing water in the exhaust stream slowing up the exhaust output.

This subject has been gnawed over here a few times. The key thing to keep in mind is the power to weight ratio. 40-48 HP will mean alot more to someone in a smaller, light weight boat compared to a larger heavier boat.

Speed increases can vary tremendously based on hull design, X-dimension, weight, propeller, etc. etc.

There is no one across the board answer to speed increases. We've seen a wide range of numbers. Some as little as 2mph and some as big as 7 mph.

Alot of boats can be on the verge of breaking free, not that the exhaust upgrade can account for a full 7 mph gain, but the exhaust system may have gained 4 mph allowing the boat to free up and ride on a different spot on the bottom giving up a few more MPH.

Some boats have huge differences between a 525 and a 496, I know it's roughly 100 HP more, but some boats will run 15 MPH faster with a 525. That 525 may have given that particular boat 10 more MPH, but the boat is airing out so much better it will yield another 5 MPH.

BenPerfected · 07-11-2009, 05:50 PM

Dana,
Excellent explanation for the variances the speed as related to changes in HP. Exhaust seems similar to props, each boat reacts differently to the change.

Rage · 07-11-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rage

BobL dynoed the Lightening, Dana Torque Flow and (recently)CMI Sport Tubes on a 496. The HP gains for all three with out tuneing mods were in the 20's. The CMI and Dana published HP gain numbers for a 496 were in the 60's.

Correction. CMI posted dyno results show 56.1hp increase and Dana 48hp increase as noted in preceeding. Attached is a copy of the raw dyno data that is posted for each. I should learn to double check my memory.

Rage · 07-11-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rage

Correction. CMI posted dyno results show 56.1hp increase and Dana 48hp increase as noted in preceeding. Attached is a copy of the raw dyno data that is posted for each. I should learn to double check my memory.

Attached.