Braided Line / Fuel Permeation
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Braided Line / Fuel Permeation
1992 Formula 303, carb 454's, electric fuel pumps.
I have been chasing a slight fuel odor in the bilge since last season. It is very, very faint, but noticeable none the less. 5 seconds with the blower and it's all gone, never trips the fume detector, etc. It only occurs when there is pressure in the system. All my fuel plumbing is AN braided line, there is no detectable moisture or leakage at any of the connections, so I was fearing I may have tank problems.
The boat sat covered in the shop all winter with about 10 gallons of fuel in the tank, and I had zero smell in the boat when I changed my plugs yesterday. When I turned on the key and the pumps ran, I started to notice the smell again down low in the bilge. When I remove the access plug for the tank, the smell is not as strong in the tank area as it is low in the bilge.
I stumbled upon this thread on another forum, has anyone else had issues with pump gas and braided line?
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?p=2042585
I'm going to try to pressurize the lines and hold my hand on them for a few seconds to see if I smell fuel. If I do, what is the best hose to use for replacement?
I'm almost 99% sure the tank is fine, if it had a leak or crack wouldn't I have had a very strong fuel smell after the boat was covered all winter?
This is very annoying!
Here's a pic of my pump / filter / gauge set up. The sea pump fuel pumps have been removed.
I have been chasing a slight fuel odor in the bilge since last season. It is very, very faint, but noticeable none the less. 5 seconds with the blower and it's all gone, never trips the fume detector, etc. It only occurs when there is pressure in the system. All my fuel plumbing is AN braided line, there is no detectable moisture or leakage at any of the connections, so I was fearing I may have tank problems.
The boat sat covered in the shop all winter with about 10 gallons of fuel in the tank, and I had zero smell in the boat when I changed my plugs yesterday. When I turned on the key and the pumps ran, I started to notice the smell again down low in the bilge. When I remove the access plug for the tank, the smell is not as strong in the tank area as it is low in the bilge.
I stumbled upon this thread on another forum, has anyone else had issues with pump gas and braided line?
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?p=2042585
I'm going to try to pressurize the lines and hold my hand on them for a few seconds to see if I smell fuel. If I do, what is the best hose to use for replacement?
I'm almost 99% sure the tank is fine, if it had a leak or crack wouldn't I have had a very strong fuel smell after the boat was covered all winter?
This is very annoying!
Here's a pic of my pump / filter / gauge set up. The sea pump fuel pumps have been removed.
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i have had that same thing happen to me.what i found was the vent tube on the holly carbs is where i traced my gas smell to.i can turn on my pumps and get a slight smell from them.i guess that is normal and why you are supposed to run the blower before starting the motor.
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i have had that same thing happen to me.what i found was the vent tube on the holly carbs is where i traced my gas smell to.i can turn on my pumps and get a slight smell from them.i guess that is normal and why you are supposed to run the blower before starting the motor.
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Here are a few things to look for when you have braided fuel line ; Pressurize the fuel lines and run your fingers under each fuel line as far as you can , check often as the leak may be very small.. DO Not do this with the engine running ! It may feel wet or cool if you are leaking at one of the fittings.
Make sure all the fittings are tight !
Dont know if you are running manual or electric fuel pumps and if you are the original owner but some guys in the past have put on fuel pumps that are not coast guard approved and might spring a small leak in the diaphram. Check the carb vent tubes... Last but not least if you can not find the leak yourself ,Pay a shop that knows what they are doing to check for you , Nothing more dangerous than a gas leak !!!! Good luck
Jim
Make sure all the fittings are tight !
Dont know if you are running manual or electric fuel pumps and if you are the original owner but some guys in the past have put on fuel pumps that are not coast guard approved and might spring a small leak in the diaphram. Check the carb vent tubes... Last but not least if you can not find the leak yourself ,Pay a shop that knows what they are doing to check for you , Nothing more dangerous than a gas leak !!!! Good luck
Jim
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stainless braided hose is not Coast Guard approved and it does have a limited life span. currently California boats (coming to a state near you) are required a "low permiation hose".
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Thanks for all the input. I inherited the lines with the boat, I did know they are not CG approved. I spent some time last night in the bilge, and again could not pin point it. It did seem a little stronger on the starboard side, where the vent and fill are located. I crawled up into the gunnel and the lines at the fittings seem fine, but maybe there is a crack??? I'm going to pull them off tonight, plug the lines at the carbs, and apply 3 psi to the tank and see if it holds pressure. I guess I will keep eliminating pieces from the puzzle and keep re testing.
I'm still hopeful it is not the tank because there is no smell when I open the tank compartment access panel. I put the nose of the trailer pretty much on the floor so any fuel would drain to the area under the step in the cabin. It was bone dry and smell free.
I'm still hopeful it is not the tank because there is no smell when I open the tank compartment access panel. I put the nose of the trailer pretty much on the floor so any fuel would drain to the area under the step in the cabin. It was bone dry and smell free.
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Also make sure npt adapters are sealed with a proper sealant. Dont use standard teflon tape.
Also why wouldnt they be better than standard rubber??? Under the stainless is rubber hose! If they are crappy why are they good to hundreds of psi?
Also why wouldnt they be better than standard rubber??? Under the stainless is rubber hose! If they are crappy why are they good to hundreds of psi?