Rear Mount Counter Clockwise Starters
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Rear Mount Counter Clockwise Starters
New Engines/New Starters, we had checked off on those parts. However, one of the first two failed immediately. Another new starter was installed and has worked as expected. That is, except for cranking RPM, which was slower than either of the two new original starters.
Subject to research, it was decided to up-grade to a more expensive starter believed to be an improvement. However, we find that starter gear to NOT be "spiral" machine cut. The gear is machined to a point, equal cut machined, each side of the tooth. Therefore, though the tooth/shaft is driven in by a very strong solenoid, into the flywheel ring gear. The problem occurs when the pointed started gear "centers" on the flywheel gear. The starter gear then spins/grinds because of not being engaged.
The first set was part number 808011-A4, the second set was 808011-A05 (FYI, 808011-A05 has nylon reduction gears. Perhaps the first backfire will toast those gears)
Back at the drawing board, we are looking for a 3 +/- HP, reduction starter with a spiral cut gear......Suggestions ???
Subject to research, it was decided to up-grade to a more expensive starter believed to be an improvement. However, we find that starter gear to NOT be "spiral" machine cut. The gear is machined to a point, equal cut machined, each side of the tooth. Therefore, though the tooth/shaft is driven in by a very strong solenoid, into the flywheel ring gear. The problem occurs when the pointed started gear "centers" on the flywheel gear. The starter gear then spins/grinds because of not being engaged.
The first set was part number 808011-A4, the second set was 808011-A05 (FYI, 808011-A05 has nylon reduction gears. Perhaps the first backfire will toast those gears)
Back at the drawing board, we are looking for a 3 +/- HP, reduction starter with a spiral cut gear......Suggestions ???
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new engines/new starters, we had checked off on those parts. However, one of the first two failed immediately. Another new starter was installed and has worked as expected. That is, except for cranking rpm, which was slower than either of the two new original starters.
Subject to research, it was decided to up-grade to a more expensive starter believed to be an improvement. However, we find that starter gear to not be "spiral" machine cut. The gear is machined to a point, equal cut machined, each side of the tooth. Therefore, though the tooth/shaft is driven in by a very strong solenoid, into the flywheel ring gear. The problem occurs when the pointed started gear "centers" on the flywheel gear. The starter gear then spins/grinds because of not being engaged.
The first set was part number 808011-a4, the second set was 808011-a05 (fyi, 808011-a05 has nylon reduction gears. Perhaps the first backfire will toast those gears)
back at the drawing board, we are looking for a 3 +/- hp, reduction starter with a spiral cut gear......suggestions ???
Subject to research, it was decided to up-grade to a more expensive starter believed to be an improvement. However, we find that starter gear to not be "spiral" machine cut. The gear is machined to a point, equal cut machined, each side of the tooth. Therefore, though the tooth/shaft is driven in by a very strong solenoid, into the flywheel ring gear. The problem occurs when the pointed started gear "centers" on the flywheel gear. The starter gear then spins/grinds because of not being engaged.
The first set was part number 808011-a4, the second set was 808011-a05 (fyi, 808011-a05 has nylon reduction gears. Perhaps the first backfire will toast those gears)
back at the drawing board, we are looking for a 3 +/- hp, reduction starter with a spiral cut gear......suggestions ???
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SkiDoc, do you know/have the parts numbers for your Tilton's ??? Surfing their web-site pictures, several models are shown, none of which is exactly familiar.
MrFixxall, there is a race plate between the bell housing and engine block. The bell housing is steel, the aperture is round and the starter body is a slip fit. The bell housing was relieved the .250" . The flywheel/flexplate was also dialed indicator set to <.010 and dowel staked. The starters were then installed and tested before the engines were installed.
Ironically, the Merc numbers shown , never once failed to engage. Only one 808011-A4 failed premature and the 808011-A05 is slower. However, both numbers appear to have spiral cut gears. For other applications, either of those Merc. numbers should work fine.
IMHO, these engines prefer to be spun at Max. RPM untill the dry sump pumps have oil pressure. Then, while spinning, add ignition and the engines are running. The usual spin, throttle pump, spin to start doesn't seem to work well or in theory safe. Safe being relative to flooding or back-fire. (soaking)
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We use the standard Tilton rear mount marine starter. For low compression, this is all you need. We never have any issues but sent them back once in 15 yrs to be checked/rebuilt. I used to work with Stanley Reyes , Tilton Engineering (805) 688-2353); he was very helpful.
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We use the standard Tilton rear mount marine starter. For low compression, this is all you need. We never have any issues but sent them back once in 15 yrs to be checked/rebuilt. I used to work with Stanley Reyes , Tilton Engineering (805) 688-2353); he was very helpful.
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The question was asked about Summitt Racing showing their subject starters. The answer was; Summitt hasn't updated their web, sorry !
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The Tilton 454 type rear mount reverse rotation starters show as "in stock" at Jegs. Since when you give up so easy?
Ben
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The Tilton 454 type rear mount reverse rotation starters show as "in stock" at Jegs. Since when you give up so easy?
Ben
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The Tilton 454 type rear mount reverse rotation starters show as "in stock" at Jegs. Since when you give up so easy?
Ben
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The Tilton 454 type rear mount reverse rotation starters show as "in stock" at Jegs. Since when you give up so easy?
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Thank you very much, we will try that !
Look, when you get to be my age, you can give up also. Till then, back to work. LoL.... I'm sure glad you found these, we were working on a new pull rope design.
Subject to weather, would you be available to go to Texoma, Friday or this week-end ? Scott is the Hi-Port manager, whom may arrange for a facimily of a chase boat, or Leon may be an option.
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Thank you very much, we will try that !
Look, when you get to be my age, you can give up also. Till then, back to work. LoL.... I'm sure glad you found these, we were working on a new pull rope design.
Subject to weather, would you be available to go to Texoma, Friday or this week-end ? Scott is the Hi-Port manager, whom may arrange for a facimily of a chase boat, or Leon may be an option.
Thank you very much, we will try that !
Look, when you get to be my age, you can give up also. Till then, back to work. LoL.... I'm sure glad you found these, we were working on a new pull rope design.
Subject to weather, would you be available to go to Texoma, Friday or this week-end ? Scott is the Hi-Port manager, whom may arrange for a facimily of a chase boat, or Leon may be an option.