Budman II

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Putting together my bottom end (489), and it looks like I may have the wrong oil control rings. Original rings measured about .157 in radial thickness and .017 in vertical thickness, and had probably about a 3/8" gap when installed on the piston. The rings that came with my new set (PN 4285MS-15) measure about 0.11 in radial thickness and .030 in vertical thickness. The compression rings both look to be the same as the originals. I looked through Mahle's online catalog, and this part number appears to be the correct one for my pistons. Starting to wonder if these are low tension rings and I had standard tension rings previously.

This sucks - was planning to have the bottom end together this weekend. Motor only had 30 hours on it, and was torn down because of cam spalling and a small amount of metal that went through the bearings. I'm tempted to run the new compression rings and reuse the oil rings. Engine was holding 185+ PSI previously with no oil control issues.

In picture below, original ring is on the left:



Another picture showing the difference in radial thickness:



Anyone ever run into this when ordering rings?

f_inscreenname

What pistons are you using these on?

Budman II

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They are Mahle flat tops, PN BBC270280F03 - 4.280 bore, 4.25 stroke, 6.385 rod length. They take the metric ring pack, 1.5 mm, 1.5mm, 3 mm.

dereknkathy

how do the oil rings fit the pistons? if they are a mistake, the oil ring groove will swallow them. if they are a redesign, the new spacer with them will work just fine. on the other hand, you know your old oil rings work. and they were in a boat. not 165k in a truck. they ain't worn out...

Budman II

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Derek, it's not even close. I think they might even be 2 mm instead of 3 mm. The part number looks correct on the box, but the parts inside sure don't match what I had before. Guess I'll have to get on the phone with Mahle tomorrow.

PowerRocket

Mahle has gone to metric ring packs on most of their piston packages now and they are substantially different. Also some different oil ring package types support the rails differently off the expander and they look different. When you assemble the oil ring (all three pieces) in the piston, do they fit, look and measure right for proper fit?

Also good advice here to check with Mahel if they supplied the rings with the pistons.

Good Luck

Budman II

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Like I said before, there is a substantial amount of space left in the ring groove when they are installed. No way that is correct - the rings would beat themselves to death in the grooves. I left a message for Mahle in their contact form. Either I ordered the wrong part number, or somehow the wrong oil control rings were put in the box.

Thanks for the replies.

FIXX

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If all yourdoing is disassembling the block and cleaning out the crud and you did not hone the cylinders their is nothing wrong with reusing the rings..i have done it in the past with out any issues..i have also ran a ball hone through a cylinder and scuffed up the rings with a \grey scotch bright pad with no issues..i would not use those rings,,make sure the pistons are real clean and reuse the old rings..

MER Performance

Check the ring groove depth, between the new piston and the old, otherwise, they sent the wrong oil control set.

mike tkach

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good advice,if not a lot of time on the engine and compression was good,clean the cylinder bores and reuse the original rings.