Notices

gear drives

Thread Tools
 
Old 01-19-2014, 08:52 PM
  #11  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
SABER28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: jenison mi
Posts: 1,241
Received 253 Likes on 101 Posts
Default

interesting, they show no hp loss with a gear drive. what does it do to hurt valvetrain life?
SABER28 is offline  
Old 01-19-2014, 09:06 PM
  #12  
GPM
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Pa
Posts: 2,663
Received 80 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

There seems to be a lot of opinions on the topic, don't know how many people have actual proof of what they are posting. Best answer I read was, it all depends on application. Cummins puts gear drives in all of their motors, for what that's worth.
GPM is offline  
Old 01-19-2014, 10:31 PM
  #13  
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Byron NY
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Cloyes or Comp billet double roller will handle just about anything thrown at it. If you want the noise of a blower,put a blower on it.
SGERR828 is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 05:26 AM
  #14  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: bel air, md
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SABER28
interesting, they show no hp loss with a gear drive. what does it do to hurt valvetrain life?
And I guess if its in car craft it has to be true...
Black Baja is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 05:31 AM
  #15  
I hate the winter!!
Platinum Member
 
Vinny P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: long island, new york
Posts: 2,707
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SABER28
interesting, they show no hp loss with a gear drive. what does it do to hurt valvetrain life?
It has to do with harmonics being trasferred from the crank to the valvetrain. While I dont have any testing data, I was under the understanding that gear drives transfer the most harmonics, chains come in second, while belts absorb all and transfer none to the valvetrain.
Vinny P is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 05:31 AM
  #16  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: bel air, md
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GPM
There seems to be a lot of opinions on the topic, don't know how many people have actual proof of what they are posting. Best answer I read was, it all depends on application. Cummins puts gear drives in all of their motors, for what that's worth.
All today's diesels are gear drives but its not apples for apples. Have you seen the timing set in a diesel even a 4cylinder Isuzu? Big difference than what people are putting on their gas motors.

And years ago I did see with my own eyes a back to back dyno pull on a sbc it was 30 hp on a dyno.
Black Baja is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 06:10 AM
  #17  
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 4,554
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I think all newer diesels run the injector pump off the front of the engine, I know several guys a while back dynoed race engines and showed loss of H/P on all, like Vinny said, belt transfer the least amount of harmonics back thru the engine...now Bob M. can probably give you the best info here...
ezstriper is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 07:04 AM
  #18  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: bel air, md
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ezstriper
I think all newer diesels run the injector pump off the front of the engine, I know several guys a while back dynoed race engines and showed loss of H/P on all, like Vinny said, belt transfer the least amount of harmonics back thru the engine...now Bob M. can probably give you the best info here...
International / ford don't run injector pumps and timing set is in the back of the motor. But it's not an apples for apples the harmonics in the two are different and diesels don't spin any kind of rpm. The timing sets in a diesel are totally different the gears are massive and the teeth on them are totally different compared to what is being put on a gas motor. If a gear drive was the answer I think General Motors would have put them on there motors a long time ago. And I'm sure GM put alot more money into R&D than Pete Jackson put into his gear drive. For that matter sine we are talking about boat motors why doesn't Mercury put them on there high dollar stuff?
Black Baja is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 01:19 PM
  #19  
GPM
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Pa
Posts: 2,663
Received 80 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

I'm sure it's not cost effective for GM to use a $500 Milodon gear drive when a cheap chain and gear will do the job.
GPM is offline  
Old 01-20-2014, 01:30 PM
  #20  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: bel air, md
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GPM
I'm sure it's not cost effective for GM to use a $500 Milodon gear drive when a cheap chain and gear will do the job.
I don't think it's cost effective for anyone to pay $500 for a gear drive when a cheap chain drive will do.
Black Baja is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.