572's with inter cooled 14-71's
10-31-2016, 10:56 PM
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Rob I hope you don't mind me inquiring opinions etc with my particular builds but thought since it was similar to what I was doing that I'd get some info for myself and others facing the same. So in a nutshell given proper size Blower per CI engine that 8.5 + or - is a good target to run 6 to 8 pds of boost. On a 548-565 without intercooler what would size blower would be recommended. 10-71, 12-71. 14-71 on a 598.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
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11-01-2016, 06:36 AM
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Rob I hope you don't mind me inquiring opinions etc with my particular builds but thought since it was similar to what I was doing that I'd get some info for myself and others facing the same. So in a nutshell given proper size Blower per CI engine that 8.5 + or - is a good target to run 6 to 8 pds of boost. On a 548-565 without intercooler what would size blower would be recommended. 10-71, 12-71. 14-71 on a 598.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
Icdedppl's setup, runs pretty cool imo for not having intercoolers. as i stated, the intake temps stay around 135* at wot. Thats a 1071 setup, on a 548. He also has a well ventilated engine hatch, with a good fresh air supply. I'm sure his setup is running cooler than say, a guy who has a 250 blower on a 502, thats at 80% overdrive, no intercooler , with a factory sunpad. What that setup runs for intake temps, I couldn't say. I would think the intercooler would show more of a reduction in temperature on a setup like that. The cores are only so efficient. When your are moving say , 80* water thru them, and 135* air, maybe it will get the air down to 120*. With a setup that has 80* water thru it, but 200* air, maybe it will get it down to 120, maybe not. I don't know..
11-01-2016, 09:10 AM
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Rob I hope you don't mind me inquiring opinions etc with my particular builds but thought since it was similar to what I was doing that I'd get some info for myself and others facing the same. So in a nutshell given proper size Blower per CI engine that 8.5 + or - is a good target to run 6 to 8 pds of boost. On a 548-565 without intercooler what would size blower would be recommended. 10-71, 12-71. 14-71 on a 598.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
Back to the intercooler from what I understand it takes another 1 to 1 1/2 pds of boost to achieve same hp vs non intercooled engine due the restriction however resulting in a more dense charge being more efficient and help preventing detonation. But in a way would it be safe to say you have the work the blower harder to maintain same amount of boost when comparing apples to apples. Two identacle builds/blowers. One without intercooler and one with. If properly sized blower is fitted to said CI how important is an intercooler if your cruising under 3,000 rpm 80 percent of the time and WOT throttle runs for only a few minutes or so. If used for this type of driving characteristics how important is the intercooler unless you were looking to optimize your hp and running WOT from port to port. Just trying to get it clear what would be recommended for this type of application. I've been out of the blower seen for a while now and when I was intercoolers were just coming into the picture.
I basically looked at them as a way to spin a somewhat undersized blower for more boost without all the accessive harmful heat. Like the 525 SC days.
11-01-2016, 09:12 AM
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Rob, you read this yet? Good information,
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ch-thread.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ch-thread.html
11-01-2016, 01:13 PM
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When I first bought my Apache and tore down the engines, it had JE plat-top pistons and it was zero-decked with a .060 copper head gasket and Grumpy Heads. They also set up the carbs very rich. The dyno sheets I had with 5PSI boost was 800hp.
11-01-2016, 01:38 PM
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Icdedppl's setup, runs pretty cool imo for not having intercoolers. as i stated, the intake temps stay around 135* at wot. Thats a 1071 setup, on a 548. He also has a well ventilated engine hatch, with a good fresh air supply. I'm sure his setup is running cooler than say, a guy who has a 250 blower on a 502, thats at 80% overdrive, no intercooler , with a factory sunpad. What that setup runs for intake temps, I couldn't say. I would think the intercooler would show more of a reduction in temperature on a setup like that. The cores are only so efficient. When your are moving say , 80* water thru them, and 135* air, maybe it will get the air down to 120*. With a setup that has 80* water thru it, but 200* air, maybe it will get it down to 120, maybe not. I don't know..
The biggest improvement will be seen on combos where you are really spinning the blower hard.
