Alternative engines
03-30-2004, 05:19 PM
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The alstar is a all aluminum engine. All the good stuff. If you wanted to build a engine and not grind the block, or sharpen the crank, use a cast crank, stock rods, standard pistons, standard flat tappet cam, etc. then I'm sure the cost would come down dramatically. Then again, you'd be building a 502.
03-30-2004, 05:43 PM
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Cord my point exactly. Although the current 502 is a pretty decent engine it would not cost much more to make the holes bigger and it may appeal to a larger market. I am not sure how many people would opt for a pretty much stock (aka gen6 502 roller, forged etc) 800 or say a 620 over the 502. Sure would beat having to add a blower, stupid cams, carbs and so on. Maybe there is a market for a run of the mill 620 or 800.
03-31-2004, 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by cstraub69@comcast
The Allstar engine was designed for that. She is around 800CID. Not much bigger then a BBC engine. Cost is around $30K. I think she is 1000#/ft torque and 1000HP. RPM is around 5500. Mercury had/has some involement but I don't know where it went from there. It was the brain child of Niel Manton.
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The Allstar engine was designed for that. She is around 800CID. Not much bigger then a BBC engine. Cost is around $30K. I think she is 1000#/ft torque and 1000HP. RPM is around 5500. Mercury had/has some involement but I don't know where it went from there. It was the brain child of Niel Manton.
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03-31-2004, 12:35 AM
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03-31-2004, 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by BadDog
Here is a dumb a** question. How much more real dollars does it take to build a 800 ci engine than a 283 V-8? Think about it, how much more metal is really there. Yes some parts will cost slightly more to tool etc. and there is an economic factor in R&D and volume sold but I think vendors charge what we will pay. There still is X number of bearings, X holes to finish and so many assembly steps etc. Over Simplification to a point but it does not cost what many charge.
What is the up-charge from Merc to go from a 350 SBC with B1 to a 330 BBC with B1? About what you can buy a crate 502 for.
Maybe we can get a group discount for about 10,000 800 CI engines, how many OSO'ers are there?
Here is a dumb a** question. How much more real dollars does it take to build a 800 ci engine than a 283 V-8? Think about it, how much more metal is really there. Yes some parts will cost slightly more to tool etc. and there is an economic factor in R&D and volume sold but I think vendors charge what we will pay. There still is X number of bearings, X holes to finish and so many assembly steps etc. Over Simplification to a point but it does not cost what many charge.
What is the up-charge from Merc to go from a 350 SBC with B1 to a 330 BBC with B1? About what you can buy a crate 502 for.
Maybe we can get a group discount for about 10,000 800 CI engines, how many OSO'ers are there?
The name of the game is volume. As in millions. Have you ever seen a engine block transfer machine? Auto makers invest tens of millions of $$$ to automate as much as possible. Feed in rough blocks at one end and finished blocks come out the other. The only way to pay for this investment is to sell millions of the same block. Volume is the reason a GM can build a complete engine for the same cost as a set of aftermarket connecting rods. 10,000 of anything just gets you aftermarket pricing.
03-31-2004, 08:09 AM
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