Go Back   Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
-->
Register Upgrade/Renew Membership Forum Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


OSO Sponsor
NorTech
OSO Sponsor
NorTech

Advertiser

Advertiser


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-11-2004, 07:38 PM   #1
Mike
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Northeast,Fla
Posts: 3,828
Formula 311
Over rev ?

Ok ...Some of are familure some or not ..briefly I bent an exhaust valve pulled it apart could not find anything wrong ..did the repairs and shop ran the motor about 1.5 hours ...I picked up the boat and it lasted 20 mins bent same valve ....this is a Jasper Reman. motor 454mag ...this motor was built in July 03 very little hours 20 or so ...It was out of warranty and I called them to get some help and they replaced the motor ... AND the labor if they could find somehting wrong with the motor ....they left a message today that everything checked out ok ....and the only thing that it could be is over reving the motor so they are not covering the Labor. I am ok with that because they have already stepped up in my opinon .. But .. other than the mechanic ...no one has been in this boat but me ...and I just reproped and its too tall and will not turn but about 4500 ...when I picked the boat up I KNOW I didnt go over 4K ....and it wont go more than 4500 ....It did turn 5000 with 23 Mirages but with Hydromotives (23's) I lost about 4-500 rpm .... My main question here is what would be overreving ...@ 4600-5000 redline ? I would think alot more ....
offthefront is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2004, 08:00 PM   #2
Spiritual Advisor
Charter Member
 

Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Edgerock Baby!!
Posts: 5,775
Silverton 34C, Formula 311
Re: Over rev ?

5000 is perfectly fine even with a standard 454. I would check the stem to guide clearance on the offending valve- this is very rarely done on a rebuild since it should be loose from wear. If it is tight to the touch, they leave it alone and replace or knurl the ones that are loose. I suspect yours is too tight and when the valve heats it siezes and hits the piston. This may be due to an improperly machined valve and/or guide. I am assuming that all other parts look good and valve adjustment was correctly done.

Another note-I have never seen an overrev bend just one valve-can't happen. They need to come up with something else.
__________________
Ted

www.cbpba.com
insptech is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-11-2004, 08:02 PM   #3
I hate the winter!!
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: long island, new york
Posts: 2,396
99 checkmate 259
Re: Over rev ?

Your motor should be able to go to 5000 with out problems. But, I have to ask you what kind of valve springs are in there? The valve train components are a major contributor of what dictates the max rpm of a motor.
Vinny P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2004, 04:11 AM   #4
Mike
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Northeast,Fla
Posts: 3,828
Formula 311
Re: Over rev ?

The motors have roller cams but stock mag springs & rockers .... First time I had the heads inspected and Springs tested ..everything checked out fine ..In the message Jasper left I believe they said they checked valve guides ...Also said piston to deck clearance was ok ....I will talk to them Today ( friday) . I think I have seen psot on here about people running 5-5200 on mag motors all day without problems .....
offthefront is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2004, 03:39 PM   #5
Charter Member # 55
Charter Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Omaha
Posts: 7,843
32 Active Thunder
Re: Over rev ?

I could run my 454mag with a bigger cam up to 5500 w/o any problems.

You say "stock mag springs and rockers" What is the lift on the cam??? Are the spring pressures matched to the cam??? Stamped steel rockers???
Griff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2004, 04:43 PM   #6
Mike
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Northeast,Fla
Posts: 3,828
Formula 311
Re: Over rev ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff
I could run my 454mag with a bigger cam up to 5500 w/o any problems.

You say "stock mag springs and rockers" What is the lift on the cam??? Are the spring pressures matched to the cam??? Stamped steel rockers???
Stamped steel rockers ....the 1st time it happpned the head shop checked all the springs ..we thought maybe a weak spring ...I am not sure of cam spec but I am trying to find out ...whatever "stock" 454mag would be ...should be pretty mild ...
offthefront is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2004, 07:31 PM   #7
Mike
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Northeast,Fla
Posts: 3,828
Formula 311
Re: Over rev ?

I'll get the specs and post em
offthefront is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2004, 06:03 PM   #8
Registered
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Chesapeake Bay
Posts: 2,174
30' Scarab Panther
Re: Over rev ?

I would be keying in on leaking exhaust system. Is it a center cylinder that bends the valve? I can't put my finger on why this would cause a bent valve, just seems like the description fits that problem. Hydrolock is a violent event. And water dripping on a hot exhaust valve can cause all sorts of odd problems. Have you pressure tested this side on the exhaust? I would also consider changing the valves to all manley servere duty 3/8" diameter, non necked one piece before going again. I have never been able to keep valves from failing with any other brand valve. And new springs to match the cam. That is what I would do...

BT
blue thunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2004, 08:20 PM   #9
Mike
Platinum Member
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Northeast,Fla
Posts: 3,828
Formula 311
Re: Over rev ?

it was #4 cylinder both times ....and I am changing to different exhaust ...gil manifolds and Stainless marine pipes that dont water until the end of the pipes ..
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Resize of DSC00005.JPG (266.6 KB, 2 views)
offthefront is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Does it have a rev limiter D Harry General Q & A 0 06-23-2007 05:26 AM
rev limter stevesxm General Q & A 17 12-19-2005 05:18 AM
Rev limiter?? Vinny P General Q & A 4 05-14-2003 10:01 PM
rev limiter help...again? THRILLSEEKER General Q & A 6 07-25-2002 08:30 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright 2008 OffShoreOnly. All rights reserved.