Recommendations in selecting camshaft
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Tomas, I would recommend crane 133801 w/ 222`/234` at .050 and .529"/ .525" lift. It made 450hp@4700rpm, and
stayed flat up 5500rpm. My engine was with 269cc Merlin ovalport heads, 9:1 CR, RPM intake and BG750dp.So I think you would get 425hp to 450hp. It took my boat from 330hp`s 47 knots to 55,5 knots. But as we all know, things are changing in the long, cold winter time of north. In goes hyd.roller cam, RPM Air-Gap, and BG850dp + drive is moving
up at least an inch or two, waiting for summer...in eastern
neighbour of you.
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stayed flat up 5500rpm. My engine was with 269cc Merlin ovalport heads, 9:1 CR, RPM intake and BG750dp.So I think you would get 425hp to 450hp. It took my boat from 330hp`s 47 knots to 55,5 knots. But as we all know, things are changing in the long, cold winter time of north. In goes hyd.roller cam, RPM Air-Gap, and BG850dp + drive is moving
up at least an inch or two, waiting for summer...in eastern
neighbour of you.
Pelle
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Originally Posted by tomas_wallin
Isn't the vortec head also kind of semi open chamered?
My cousin was using a GIL DRY aftermarket exhaust system could have easily have gone with a larger camshaft close to what Griff has suggested----I was thinking more something like a 222*/230* on either 110* or 112* lobes. However, my cousin wanted to run the boat at about 5000 to 5100rpm tops because of the cast pistons and stock rod bolts and he was advised not to spin the engines over that RPM level with those parts. As it turns out the engines made peak power at 5100rpm and a TON of torque 510 lbs from 3600-5000rpm. I should also mention that he also had the cylinders bore notched which I believe has an advantage. You could run the larger 222*/230* cam if the engines were going to be used with a decent aftermarket exhaust system, but would stick with the 218*/226* cam (even as Sutphen30 has agreed to) if a stock Merc exhaust system is going to be used on the engine.
That's just my .02---it's not set in stone, but I will admit, when deciding on a camshaft selection I tend to like or "errr" on the smaller side of duration-----but not too dang small...ya hear me son???
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Cam 1
Cam 2
Cam 3
Cam 4
Cam 5
Have I forgotten some of your recommendations?
Which one should I go with then? There are getting a slight too many to choose from now...
Cam 1,2 and 5 are the ones I think could work fine, but since I have really bad knowledge about this I might be completely wrong too... What does KAAMA think of pelle's suggestion (cam 5 - 133801)
Cam 2
Cam 3
Cam 4
Cam 5
Have I forgotten some of your recommendations?
Which one should I go with then? There are getting a slight too many to choose from now...
Cam 1,2 and 5 are the ones I think could work fine, but since I have really bad knowledge about this I might be completely wrong too... What does KAAMA think of pelle's suggestion (cam 5 - 133801)
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
No one like GM high performance stuff?
There are 3 cams in the GM HP catalog that would also work...
There are 3 cams in the GM HP catalog that would also work...
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Originally Posted by Pat McPherson
No one like GM high performance stuff?
There are 3 cams in the GM HP catalog that would also work...
There are 3 cams in the GM HP catalog that would also work...
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Originally Posted by sutphen30
what is the minimum rpm that your boat will maintain planing speed??also what do you want for cruise rpm?
Cruise rpm: perhaps around 3500?!
I just filled in some new info in my first post:
Originally Posted by tomas_wallin
What cam would you recommend for 454 (330hp) Gen V with std bottom end, L-29 Vortec heads, Edelbrock Performer intake/ Holley 300-42, Edelbrock 750cfm 1410 Marine, K&N 9" air filter and complete MSD marine ignition? The exhaust manifolds are stock with this kind of stainless elbows. I have not decided if i'm going to use dry or wet exhaust but probably dry!
The heads take a 540 lift with these springs, I don't really want to change the springs if possible.
I am not going to rev the engine past 5000-5100rpm, since I don't want to lose too much reliability.
It is going to be fed with 95octane.
I would be really pleased if I could reach 450hp.
The boat is a V-hull 24x7,3ft 3300bls. It maxed at near 60mph with a Mirage Plus 27P at 3800rpm with the 330 and a bad, badly adjusted carb.
The heads take a 540 lift with these springs, I don't really want to change the springs if possible.
I am not going to rev the engine past 5000-5100rpm, since I don't want to lose too much reliability.
It is going to be fed with 95octane.
I would be really pleased if I could reach 450hp.
The boat is a V-hull 24x7,3ft 3300bls. It maxed at near 60mph with a Mirage Plus 27P at 3800rpm with the 330 and a bad, badly adjusted carb.
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Originally Posted by tomas_wallin
Is this one of them?
The ones I am referring to are something like this:
Gen V 454HO cam 220°/220°, .500/.500, 114°LSA
Second- 218°/228°, .500/.500, 114°LSA
Third- 228°/238°, .540/.540, 114°LSA
Each of these cams will make more power than your stock 330HP cam.
A buddy of mine put the 218/228 in his 454mag last year and she pulls nice up to about 5300rpm.
Tomas,
If you use an aftermarket cam you will need to go to an adjustable rocker setup. Not a big deal, just more parts and $$. Any of these cams are going to require new valve spring and rotator eliminators...
Good Luck with your project.
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If you're going to run 4000 rpm or more for periods of time like poker runs, roller rockers are a good reliability upgrade. I've seen stamped rockers fail. Merc put them on 420hp and above.
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No Tomas, That is a roller cam...
Originally Posted by Pat McPherson
If you use an aftermarket cam you will need to go to an adjustable rocker setup. Not a big deal, just more parts and $$. Any of these cams are going to require new valve spring and rotator eliminators...
Good Luck with your project. :drink
Good Luck with your project. :drink
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Re: Recommendations in selecting camshaft
Originally Posted by PatriYacht
If you're going to run 4000 rpm or more for periods of time like poker runs, roller rockers are a good reliability upgrade. I've seen stamped rockers fail. Merc put them on 420hp and above.
This upcoming summer there is actually a nice Pokerrun taking place here in Stockholm. It's about 80miles long and at 35 of them there is real offshore with no sight of land... They are planning for 40-50 boats to participate.
It would be nice if the engine would last for 80 miles without failing... But as most of us know - take it cool and it will last!
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