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Old 11-01-2004, 11:57 AM
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Ok, here I go again.

1. Current P class can continue if that is the class people want.

2. This idea could be run in addition to current classes.

3. I have thought about the complaints in p. My boat runs 85 do I
run p3 or p4. The GPS problem. I don't want to run throttled
back, I want to run my boat wide open. If anyone has ever run
Scca road rallies, It is very similar style racing.

4. My Idea is much more similar to bracket drag racing. In bracket
racing , you can take any car, run it as hard as you want too,
and if you do everything correctly you have as much of a chance
of winning as anyone.

5. Here is how I think it can work. First, do one of our
traditional starts, 10 boats 15 it doesn't matter do a mix of
fast and slow, how ever many starts per start etc. RUN 2 LAPS.
everyone pulls to center of the course( or returns to pits if
running different classes, OSS etc ) On radio or at pits scorer
tells you your lap speeds. Lets say 70 first lap 74 second. So
you think about it for a few seconds you know how your boat runs,
and you pick a speed of 75. This number is up to you if you
didn't want to run quite as hard you could choose 70 , if you
think you can run alot faster laps pick 80.

At that time the scorer tells you your start position on the
course. Example today the race is 30 min long (again it does
not matter the amont of time, races officals can make longer or
shorter) so you start 37.5 mile back from the finish ( today is a
10 mile course so you are 3.75 laps. the other guy said 80 he has
to run 4 laps) patrol boats can be asigned around the course as
needed. The race boat is sent to the starting pos. at the
patrol boat. The patrol is on station because he will be
assigned gps coor. The patrol boat is also the start boat for
the pos. Over the radio the starter sayes Go and the clock
starts. If you run the speed you thought, you should cross the
finish line in exactly 30 minutes. The first one across the finish after 30 min wins. You and the other guy
should be there at exactly the same time. If you ran faster
than you thought you could ie 72 average, you are dq. penalties
at the scores or groups liking, if slower you are scored on your
finish. Everyone that is running good should be at the finish
close. That is going to make exciting racing for the fans.

The exciting thing for me, is any boat on any day has a chnce to win.

There it is. Lets hear some feed back. Mike Sadlon
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Mike

Just an old retired racer looking with interest at your post. Why not knock off all the complications and get ocean racing back to it's roots.

Any boat had a chance of winning an open ocean race of say 180 to 250 miles. Miami to Nassau was 185 miles. We had to correct for the northward drift of the Gulfstream when we headed out of Miami so our first checkpoint, Bimini, wouldn't be too far south. Many fast guys didn't do this and found themselves playing catch up for the rest of the race.

Key West racing, used to mean a run out to Dry Tortugas and back with plenty of open ocean 360 degrees all around you. Sure the spectators didn't get to see too much, but the racers ran wide open or as much as they dared in real ocean conditions that changed all the time.

Maybe the time has passed, but maybe again those times are ready to return. It was a lot easier to just get in the boat and the first one to the finish was the winner.

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The idea is fresh. Your basically giving up the starting line up in favor of a finish line up. Also it allows all boats to race in the same class. Interesting. But not really practical because of placement of each boat at the start of the race. It takes away from head to head racing from the drop of the green flag.

The real problem is that people just want to come out and race thier boat. Instead, a racer should pick a class and then build a boat to win the class. The rules work just fine if you build a boat with the class limits in mind.
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Charlie-------you said it----- I to am an old retired racer-------

I raced back when you did, for 155 races, but in production class.

These days you have to slow down to win, we always went as fast

as we could for as long as we could an as hard as we could. We called

it OCEAN RACING. I guess it's just a different world today----- oh well.

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For Rob...ttt
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No need to worry now. I believe with the new organization, no one will be using GPS. They will use avg lap speeds, which will be dropped by 5 mph per class.

P-5 up to 65 mph
P-4 up to 75 mph
P-3 up to 85 mph
P-2 up to 95 mph
P-1 up to 110 mph
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Bruce

With my idea you can still run the p class rules.

All I'm really doing is changing the start line.

With my idea, even if you only have 2 or 3 boats in a class, the finish of the race would look exciting for the fans.

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its a great concept.....shoot an email to john carbonell. see if they would consider it
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Charlie Sr.

I'm looking at trying to do a Detroit to Put-in-Bay to Toledo to Detroit race in an old school fashion.

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This is a very interesting concept. It definetly puts the excitement back into the finish of the race. I can see some problems with starting the race but I'm sure there various ways to over come them. Atleast it's a new idea to revitialize the sport.
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