Originally Posted by Yellow_ICC_OK

Hell, if somebody wanted to blow 3 million, they shoulda just given it to me. Seriously, people need to realize that Tulsa is not Dallas, nor will it ever be. I actually read where they are trying to convince people that $200 or whatever is a bargain compared to the West Coast, or East Coast. It might be, but if they sold 3 VIP memberships here, I would be surprised. You simply can't get away with it! They will be giving them away eventually! All the business people take customers to country clubs here, not bars. And, if you are going to try something like this, at least go to the riverwalk, or downtown, etc. 61st and memorial is just 2 miles from little mexico now. Gunfights galore, guaranteed. I really don't want to be negative, but I just know Tulsa all too well. People have been talking about doing a multi-bar concept here for a long, long time. Hell, if it would have worked, Kitchell would have done it years ago...

Can someone just tell me the name of ONE bar that has lasted more than 3 years in Tulsa? And I don't mean like Fishbonz, or CJ Maloneys, I am talking about a BIG money place like this new deal. I have the answer....NONE. Takes alot of VIP sales and Bud Lights to make 3.5 million back. Cuz that's what people here drink. $1.50 Long Necks, and you can get those free at most places one night a week. Again, good luck to the owners, but If it makes it past the year mark, I would be surprised. At least these guys have vision, but they picked the wrong town! Tulsa is lame, but that's the way we like it! (need more boat stores though).

Whew, that was WAY too long, sorry!!!

Originally Posted by Yellow_ICC_OK

Hell, if somebody wanted to blow 3 million, they shoulda just given it to me. Seriously, people need to realize that Tulsa is not Dallas, nor will it ever be. I actually read where they are trying to convince people that $200 or whatever is a bargain compared to the West Coast, or East Coast. It might be, but if they sold 3 VIP memberships here, I would be surprised. You simply can't get away with it! They will be giving them away eventually! All the business people take customers to country clubs here, not bars. And, if you are going to try something like this, at least go to the riverwalk, or downtown, etc. 61st and memorial is just 2 miles from little mexico now. Gunfights galore, guaranteed. I really don't want to be negative, but I just know Tulsa all too well. People have been talking about doing a multi-bar concept here for a long, long time. Hell, if it would have worked, Kitchell would have done it years ago...

Can someone just tell me the name of ONE bar that has lasted more than 3 years in Tulsa? And I don't mean like Fishbonz, or CJ Maloneys, I am talking about a BIG money place like this new deal. I have the answer....NONE. Takes alot of VIP sales and Bud Lights to make 3.5 million back. Cuz that's what people here drink. $1.50 Long Necks, and you can get those free at most places one night a week. Again, good luck to the owners, but If it makes it past the year mark, I would be surprised. At least these guys have vision, but they picked the wrong town! Tulsa is lame, but that's the way we like it! (need more boat stores though).

Whew, that was WAY too long, sorry!!!

Originally Posted by Hausher

Caravan....you asked! LOL!

Originally Posted by carter38

Snail????????

Originally Posted by waterboy222

Snail: HOME of the Affliction T-Shirt

Originally Posted by VortechSS

Did they ever open this place up?