4bus

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Ya, not sure about tow ratings, or how they come up with them.

My future father in law has an eco boost, we hooked up to the 38 cause he kept bragging. I was not impressed, the f150 did not like it at all. In his defense the hitch was a little low for his truck, so it had more tounge weight than it should, but it did not give a good feeling. He is also not getting the mileage that was claimed, but he only has 7k miles so far. I like his truck, but I like mine better....i think he likes mine better as well, but won't admit it. We get in "discussions" about built in the USA for jap company profits, like Ford is pumping all their profits back into the local economy?? haha hours we go at it

However, when I delivered my sold cruiser this spring, a 7500 boat on a twin axle trailer my Toyo did not like that boat at all. It did better than the denali I used last year to tow the cruiser, but the single engine 27 ft cruiser felt like way more boat than my 38 with twins....again, the trailer can have a lot to do with it.

I am heading to the bay for the poker run this month, shoot me a pm and I'll take you for a ride boat in tow, you won;t believe it, like most, just amazing.

ckcgobigblue

My brother in law has a tundra crewmax trd limited and I must say it is really nice and has lots of room in the back seats. I am looking at tundras as well and seems I've heard nothing but good things about them. However I am more of a Chevy guy and would like to hear from some 6.2 owners cause that's what I'm leaning towards but am still open to other trucks or maybe a 2500 with a diesel. Just wanting opinions and thanks guys

ChargeIt

Denali has a softer spring package than a Sierra. This is what gives it a cushier ride at the sacrifice of heavier hauling. Not saying people have not done it, just that loaded ride height is compromised.

Tundra was at the top of my decision list and a close contender. I would take the Tundra over a Denali.
My choice was GMC 07.5 LMM Dmax. I wanted a crew with full size (8') bed and the Toy didnt offer a real bed.
Dont jump into the diesel game lightly, they are more work and more expense than a gaser. If you really dont need the extra towing, stay gas.

rlj676

I haven't driven a 6.2, but my 5.3 w/ 4 spd pulls my 28 alright, even on 33's. As for driving it the rest of the time I like it way better than I thought I would. I have the SLT so the interior is much nicer. I've had a bunch of 2500's (no LTZ's or SLT's) before and like this a lot. Better ride, better mileage, better interior. I would LOVE to have a denali but bought this 08 w/ high miles to save money.

As to a toyota, (I'm very biased as a GM employee)......buy a real truck . Anyone debating the merits of Toyota's contributions to the US relative to Ford/GM is out of their mind (just google the number of American employees of each if you're really interested).

4bus

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I am less concerned the the amount of UAW employees than I am with overall qualityfor MY money. Should I buy a truck that blows wheel bearings, evap sensors, window regulators, rear brakes like they are candy, has cheap construction, fisher price gauges and switches, and has doors that sound like a mini car accident inside everytime I close them? All to support a union that continues to drive a company to bankrupcty?

BTW, GM and Ford are bigger companies in the US, of course they have more employees. But if you think GM and Ford are not global companies, think again. The term made in the USA has become gray.

Here is an interesting stat for you, read the graph mid page

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/03...n-america.html

TooTall

the 6.2 Silverado is usually a GMC unless somone dropped a 6.2 in it themselves

The Denali is the same truck with a nice trim package, and AWD

rlj676

Your first part describes your puffy looking foreign truck w/ an interior designed by two guys who never talked..... seriously amazed at the flimsiness every time I benchmark one. However the powertrain is a nice piece.

Your second point, is that an argument that somehow Toyota somehow does as much for this country as the domestics? They sell about as many cars, but have 1/2 or 1/3 the employees. As I stated I work for GM in a global position, so I know a bit about how we work. My point is that people claiming the transplants help the US as much as American companies because they build a few cars here is hogwash.

Last, there's nothing gray about made in the USA, it's built here or not and transplants can be. The mulroney sticker used for the "most American" studies these "journalists" do have very little to do w/ actual value add to a vehicle. As I work in purchasing I have more than a hunch as to what actually happens, and unfortunately those stickers can only tell you about tier 1 content. If $999 of imported goods are assembled for $1 in labor locally and sold to the plant that counts as $1000 of "local content". Makes those stickers worthless. Sorta how Toyota was brought to its knee's by a Japanese Tsunami when they build w/ "so much" American content.

Last, if you like the Toyota better great, buy it there's an ass for every seat. However you brought up how you somehow have some idea that supporting a Jap company is better for the US?

4bus

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My statement was simply this: Toyota has enough of an American presence to earn my money, because their product is simply superior. If you think I am going to purchase more substandard American trucks to subsidize the economy with overpaid blue collar labor you're crazy. Should we blame the gm bankruptcy and goverment bailout on americans not buying American or domestic car quality going in the crapper? When the jap cars first came to this country they were the substandard cheap cars, now they simply offer a better value and resale because they can put more quality in the vehicle, mainly cause they are not paying blue collar labor 100k a year to drive some screws.

This is my first foreign vehicle purchase, I'm not going back.

You're welcome for my tax dollars, ensuring you still have a job. Where I come from we earn our money, providing superior service and products, not trying to guilt someone into buying our stuff because it is good for the masses. I refuse to buy more garbage, to support your socialism mentality.

ChargeIt

I will jump back in on the GM vs Toyota quality "debate"
I keep a detailed record of every fuel, fluid change and repair.

Purchased a 2002 Toyota Avalon new. 270,000 miles, sales and commuting.
Have NEVER had a repair. Full PM service at 170k. Oil changes at 7-8k, brakes done once (getting close again). Service mgr friend pulled the valve cover as we neared the 10yr mark for Toyota's supposed gunk build up on the 3.0 v6. took a pic, valve trane looked fantasitc.

2007.5 GMC 3500 SLT CC SA LMM D-max, purchased new. 58k currently.
Installed FASS lift pump/filter new to prolong injector life (known issue)
4k - EGR valve cooler & gaskets
15k - dash vibration
25k - broken door handle, electric window regulators replace and repair, not greased from factory
31k - reprogram Hvac module
38k - replace leaking trans lines (bad crimps)
42k - broken exhaust bolts at DPF flange
53k - trans rebuild (prob not 100% gm fault, but due in part to improper fluid level before and after trans line repair)
current - door hinge squeak (more like the collision ROAR referenced above), cab to body noise
Overall, cheap plastic interior. several poor egronomics including the dial switches for lights that frequently get pushed in with knee upon entry. THIN sheet metal, amazing dents in bed and this is not an abused work truck but a white collar volume hauler with a camper topper.

Everything listed other than the Hvac module and trans rebuild are "known" issues. Many have existed though several model changes.
Come on GM, get your SH!T TOGETHER! at least fix issues from one model to another.

A warranty should be there to back occasional assembly errors or part issue, not keep the customer from going into double debt from a payment and repairs in the first 3-5yrs.
Most of these problems are not directly worker related. Its GM design and parts specs. Labor costs may be a driving factor in some hardware quality decisions to maintain a vehicle price point but with the huge increasing price of vehicles, it is difficult to see a price point decision.
I would probably buy the truck again as I feel GM is the best of the 3 HD trucks but being the "best" of 3 weak choices is still "poor".
In the global Vehicle market, GM leaves a lot to be desired.

rlj676

Funny 90% of truck buyers disagree w/ you, as do all comparisons etc I've ever seen. You're on here claiming it compares to a 3/4 ton, yeah right your opinion seems like one a guy who asked about 2 non-toyotas should be listening to.

You brought politics in, so is it the truck is better or you don't like GM/UAW? Like I said an ass for every seat so why are you defending your purchase by talking politics, etc? Just claim you like it better and leave the other out. Why the need to rationalize?

GM built some ****ty cars in the past, not trucks. If you want to close out all domestics, which are building cars so much better than just 5 years ago because you like one truck that's your choice, but a really misguided one. One that makes me think you're confusing politics w/ truck quality

As to your your "respectful" comments on expecting me to thank you personally for "your tax dollars" like it pays me or I'm a socialist. I won't even begin to get into the global plays that resulted in the deal, but you buy a car from a company happily protected by their foreign gov't and spit on me because our gov't had to step in during the worst American economic crisis in 90 years (caused by bankers, not the auto industry), go figure. If you honestly believe it's a fair "capitalist" playing field you have no idea how the auto industry works.