The thing I notice that keeps popping up in these discussions about every 5th post or so is the word... SPACER....Why not lower the drives a little from here on out.
It seems everyone mentions after spacers they get on plane easier..top speed increases. And if I was to go for an increase in mid-range speed for fuel mileage for increased cruise range I could go up a size in pitch with a cruise set of props.
Why can't every 37' 525 boat run the same out of the box?
O.K before you give all these differences like liners or generators...I mean build 3 identical boats ..they should run the same.. and if they need 32 LABBED BRAVOS then build them/deliver them that way.
Test them with full loads of gas on every run with the same amont of people or gear.
The 32's Roy and I had ran within 1 mph light or full!!
Nobody I ever have known has gone to a builder and said 'build me a slow boat".
Build it standardized and fast. Then if you want to increase range and loose(which is natural) alittle top end then change the props. Boeing announced the 777 to be built in acertain length of time and perform a certain way and from the day they announced it the completetion was 4 days late..4DAYS..and performed as stated. Ship builders do the same thing. Why do these toys have to be so difficult.

QUOTE CHUCK: It seems everyone mentions after spacers they get on plane easier..top speed increases.

I did get on plane easier, but my speed also decreased to 96. something. My midrange was much stronger and getting on plane was much easier.

The 28's now are made from the old 32 mold. I think it has been that way for 2-3 years, maybe longer.

Chuck,

They do run the same way out of the box. 32 stocks, 83-84.
32 labs, 87-88. With the rightest of props and fine tuning, 90.

We give everybody the option of upgrading the props. Clark, for example, wanted to play with his own props. Jay and I probably 4 or 5 hours testing the props he sent us on our nickle. How much more should we do?

The 32 stock Bravos are the most cost effective, user friendly props for the boat. But at the end of the day it came right back to the 32 labs that we recommended, didn't it? Ya just gotta spend the coin.

You could probably spin 33 labs and gain a little more. Or you could call in props from everybody that builds them and spend endless hours testing. But for what? a mile or two gain? And a gain that might not even really be from props but weight, weather or water conditions?

As far as the X-dimension. You can't go up once you cut the hole very easily. But you can add a spacer if you wanted to come down. However the 5-blade props, Merc, Herring or whoever want the extra height, don't they? In fact with the 5-bladers you could actually go a little higher.

What we delivered is what we promised. We have a base starting point and add to it as things are changed. I thought we did a decent job on Stealin' Thunder. Correct me if I am somehow wrong.

Pat.

I'll own an AT someday.....leave the X-dimension where it is.....Spacers cost a few hundred bucks.....shorties cost a few thousand!!!

Clark, I will say that I thought your boat with 7 people and 3/4 fuel got up on plane very nicely, need less to say I was impressed. The boat road great, better than the 03 models if you know what I mean, and you could feel the punch or throttle response when you came off a wave. Now it helps to be with someone who knows how to drive a boat to it's potential. I feel your set up is an all around package with better midrange, stronger punch, easier on components, and is probably what you should be looking at. Top end, is just that, it's a number, that you will exaust numerous fraustrating hours to achieve your goal. Can it be done, YES, but, thats your choice. I believe the optimum set up from what Ive read is 86-87mph. Good Luck. Jeff

Well said.Mine did actually what you just said.You can prop test for years on stock power and you would only pick up a few mph.A friend of mine said just the other day"IF YOU WANT A FAST BOAT BUY A FAST BOAT" don't try to make a fast boat.Don't beat yourself up Clark over props,x dim. and loosing your shoes in the mud.:D

Pat..I am happy with the little bit I have been around Stealin'.
Clark was not the original owner..but my question has been why don't (if I'm wrong I apologize) they are come with 32 Labs? OverActive didn't have them from the start did they?
I just have always thought the boat came out of the hole slow compared to early 37 and the other boat Roy had. I know..you are going to say this is a heavier boat..but based on the weights I heard that OverActive took and deduct the generator and liner and Stealin's not that much heavier. Are you building the high X so that if someone wants 5 blades the heigth is there. Because I felt (especially after your above statement) that lower for 4 blades.
The easier out of the hole the less chances of blowing a drive. And trust me with all the R&D that I help Roy with.. too much heigth (box adjustment on 2nd boat) or too much pitch on either boat and they became PIGs and tabs on a rare occasion wouldn't always help. But those boats tabs usually helped as compared to this one.
AND is that 83-84 with stock 32s at 53-5400rpms..because this one hasn't done it. I think Clark had 4800 the other day.
And after thinking about it maybe a lower X and a 33 Lab could be a great set up.
And in reality generator and liners should not make much differences because its just like having a fat girl or mine or your fat azz's in it for the ride. :D
OOOPs..it would take a 3rd engine to correct for you and I.:D :D

These don't look like 32 Bravos for todays test run :rolleyes:

Rich is RIGHT!
You waste alot of good boating time doing all this testing for a few if any mph increases..for what ?..so you can inch by some a##hole till next week. You spend such short amounts of time at top end.
The time on the water should be spent going places and seeing things and enjoying new and old friends. and LOTS and LOTS of DRINKS!!:drink: :drink:
NOW days build them for long range fuel effecient cruising.
Remember what Don Johnson said in that episode about his boat..."It'll out run anything in Fidels navy":D

WOT is 4800-5200.

http://mercuryracing.com/products/st...s/hp525efi.php


5300-5400 is a no-no from the OEM builder.

Roy's only ran that because he sent the ECMs out to Arizonia Speed shop and had everything recalibrated.

A 525EFI/XR 37 Excess is an 87-88mph boat--box stock.
A 525EFI/XR 33 Evolution is a 90-91mph boat--box stock.
A 525EFI/XR 28 Savage is a 74-75mph boat--box stock.

These are all with stock props. Everyone has a different opinion on what a "labbed prop" really is. To some, its incredibly thinned, and made to run kilos. To others, its delicately sharpened, not thinned, and all the blades trued for weight and pitch. Lab work can cost $400 a prop or $400 a blade. For this reason, the boats are delivered with stock props. An ocean boater and a river boater are NOT going to want the same props. If you want something different, just ask, and the boat will be designed and built for such. However, expect the price to adjust accordingly.

Pat and Jay and company interview each prospective buyer as to what they want to do with their boat, and build the boat around that expectation. That single expectation is the ONLY one that matters.

First of all you guys are funny! I am not stressing about a mile or hour or two. I spend 95% (computer backed) at 3000 to 4000. I just like trying new stuff, it is part of the enjoyment for me. There are others on this board that feels the same. Boating is not only a recreation for me its a study.

Pat, my boat is a dream and I am blessed an fortunate to be able to own and operate one. I am also fortunate to be a part of the AT family. Shame on anyone who wants to run their boat above 5200 rpm!:drink:

Sydwayz the boat will not run 87-88 with "stock out of the box props" So far it runs the best with labbed 32's. ;)

CRB is a acronym for "Constantly Researching Boats" and 76 is his true top speed :eek: :evilb:

On a serious note i ran 82 at 5000 last week. Stock 32 bravos,brackish water with tailwind and tide and some chop, 60 degrees and low humidty,less than half fuel and just the wife and i in the boat. CLOSE to perfect conditions! Maybe 1-2 mph more in saltwater:eek: . Like Sydwayz said everybodys situation is different. I run the river on long runs in moderate chop usually so optimum cruise speed and fuel economy that come with that is most important for me. If that means sacrificing 2 mph on the top end OK(Rich is probaly going to chime in and say i'm too old to run wide open). For that reason i ordered a set of 5 blade Maximus from Bblades monday and i'm getting them labbed and dialed in for the way I RUN my boat. Brett has done lots of props for me and always gets them right for my situation. My boat did run 87 on the first test run at the factory with the maximus prop. So i've spent the coin and will provide everybody with complete results. A couple of week delivery time so be patient. :D

It would with me driving. :D :D :evilb: :evilb:

.....the boat behind the dually. :drink:

For that reason i ordered a set of 5 blade Maximus from Bblades monday and i'm getting them labbed and dialed in for the way I RUN my boat. Brett has done lots of props for me and always gets them right for my situation. My boat did run 87 on the first test run at the factory with the maximus prop. So i've spent the coin and will provide everybody with complete results. A couple of week delivery time so be patient. :D[/QUOTE]

I am right behind you bro...Once yours are done I am going to get a set for long runs like poker and Key West. I will save about $300 in gas so I can spend it La Te Da! :cool: I am going to run two sets the 32 lab's and the Maximus...

After i get the 5 blades and they do what there supposed to :eureka: then i'm going to get my 32s labbed for spares. But one thing at the time :rolleyes:

Y'all still be chase'n me. :evilb: :D

We would really be chasing you if you put a set of lab's on that 33. They wake the hull right up...

On the 33 the 30 pitch 5 bladed Maximus, labbed from Mercury Hi-performance were pretty impressive but banged the boxes. I think we thinned the blades too much, though.

Came out of the whole decent but a little revving.

Clark seriuosly just leave it alone like my friends said grab a case of coke and put that beatiful girlfriend of yours on the boat and ride and enjoy.I've alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ more than you think I have well put it this way I could of bought a 37' 700 boat cheaper than what I have in mine now and still had $$ for sum red bull for me and beers for you.Hope to see you and that crazy Dad of yours this summer.

I told you that RICH!!! " If you want a fast boat, buy a fast boat"

And yes I will turn my with the 30's 5600-5800, she is singing!!

Have you guys tried Hydromotives on the 37? They seem to be much better than the B1's in my case...same pitch I get about 300 more rpm's...4-5mph. Throttle Up labbed...they also have a trial program for any props they sell.

Spil, I tried a hydro on my 25 Tantrum and it gave too much stern lift. Hated it....My best performance has been with the Bravo Ones. On my brother in laws old 25 Outlaw the worked great but not for cruise speed, wailin' along at 4000RPM at 50 mph.:eek:

The 37 AVH definitely does not need stern lift. Even running B1 props spinning in is NOT favored.

A 28 straight-bottom with twin SBC is a totally different story; and more than likely going have an ideal setup with Hydros, known for stern-lift.

Mine came with a 25 hydro that was pretty beat up, should be getting it back this week from bbblades, could only see
4900 with a full tank guessing around 65, no gps yet.hope to splash soooooooooon. Rebuilt bravo and new gimbal should handle like a new boat:drink: r what size bravo you runnin?

26 with some tweakin' by Murphys in Norfolk Va. They have never steered me wrong. The boat will run 71.4 at 4950 with a light load and on the edge!!!:evilb: :D

Guess you wern't driving or in the boat then.:evilb:

What are you gettin' at Rich? You callin' me FAT!?







SO? Jen didn't mind:D

You guys are killing me while i'm sitting here at the sands drinking a corona and looking at all the boats go by down the ICW and dam its still like 80 degrees too.:evilb:

PHUCK U!!!!:D

Sorry can only handle 1 Rowlands a night. but thanks anyways.:evilb:

ROTFLMAO!:D :D

LMAO!!! You got me there Cockmanrich!!!:D

[QUOTE=R Addiction;2101106]LMAO!!! You got me there Cockmanrich!!!

And your wife too all in 1 night.:evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Dude its 75 here and everybody is riding by looking at OVERACTIVE :evilb: on sunday i'm going to be riding by them and they will still be looking :p :cool: :evilb: :drink:

They where looking at Lori not the boat.I'll be thinking of you when i'm driving my azz back on sunday so don't have a good time on the boat sunday.:drink:

:p :p :evilb: :drink: :D