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spilman 07-16-2008 09:29 AM

AT 28 w/ Raylar twin 550's
 
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How fast??? Imagine a 2009 28 Active Thunder with twin 550 hp 450 ci Raylars hooked to Bravo XR's w/ Sportmaster lowers....that thing would FLY....I'm thinking 98-102; if you could keep it level & hooked up.

BTW, The SB550 weighs 543 lbs.; what's a 350mag/MPI weigh?? 600-650lbs.??

Gladhe8er 07-16-2008 09:50 AM

I guess Pat just needs one crazy SOB to order one! Who's ready?!?!

tblrklakemo 07-16-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Gladhe8er (Post 2625316)
I guess Pat just needs one crazy SOB to order one! Who's ready?!?!


single 700nxt 28 Id like to see.......so what happened with the arneson 28?

I bet a 33 with the twin raylars would do 100

Chris 07-16-2008 10:51 AM

what about a 33 with twin 550's form raylar? that would be a cool machine

Stormrider 07-16-2008 01:26 PM

But the 33 can carry the bbc easily.
Hows a 33 525 boat run, that would give you an idea.

I've priced out a 28 w/ twin custom fwc 350ci 475hp w/ b1s.
I'm guessing 90-95 could be achieved.
The price of those twin engines fully dress is the same as one 650hp BBC.
I like the fact that b1s would hold up no problem.

tblrklakemo 07-16-2008 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2625533)
But the 33 can carry the bbc easily.
Hows a 33 525 boat run, that would give you an idea.

I've priced out a 28 w/ twin custom fwc 350ci 475hp w/ b1s.
I'm guessing 90-95 could be achieved.
The price of those twin engines fully dress is the same as one 650hp BBC.
I like the fact that b1s would hold up no problem.

well.......the 33 525 will do low 90's right? Those are heavy motors compared to the raylars. All that weight would make for something. I still like the idea of a 700nxt 28....got to be the perfect single engine boat there.

Stormrider 07-16-2008 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by tblrklakemo (Post 2625541)
well.......the 33 525 will do low 90's right? Those are heavy motors compared to the raylars. All that weight would make for something. I still like the idea of a 700nxt 28....got to be the perfect single engine boat there.

There are plenty of 28 panteras w/ 700+ singles running around. Although they may not be as fast as an AT, it would be fairly similar.
You could probably do the konrad package cheaper than a merc NXT package.

I still like the idea of twins... all that BIG hp is asking for more trouble.

tblrklakemo 07-16-2008 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 2625552)
only issue there is the cost of the 700 nxt.. You could can get a 33 with 496's for the cost of a 28 700... just my 2 cents.

10x28 boat slip......:( You could let it stick way out I guess.


I think the konrad/r-tech 800 package is about 80-90 grand.....isnt that about the same as a merc 700nxt?

slboatdrinks 07-16-2008 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by tblrklakemo (Post 2625324)
single 700nxt 28 Id like to see.......so what happened with the arneson 28?

I bet a 33 with the twin raylars would do 100

Not a chance.

The horses are there, but not the torque.

ActiveThunder 07-16-2008 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2625872)
Not a chance.

The horses are there, but not the torque.

It would do trippple digits if I built it to run on a river in North Carolina! :D

slboatdrinks 07-16-2008 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 2625910)
It would do trippple digits if I built it to run on a river in North Carolina! :D

Don't you mean Virginia? :D

tblrklakemo 07-16-2008 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2625929)
Don't you mean Virginia? :D

new jersey

R Addiction 07-16-2008 08:04 PM

I'll go back to the river in Virginia.....anybody wanna join me?:drink:

ACTIVESHACK 07-16-2008 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by R Addiction (Post 2625974)
I'll go back to the river in Virginia.....anybody wanna join me?:drink:

I'll be waiting right here :grinser010:

R Addiction 07-16-2008 08:38 PM

Hmmmmm.........:cool-smiley-011:

boatfreak 07-16-2008 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by ACTIVESHACK (Post 2626009)
I'll be waiting right here :grinser010:

Don't you have to get back to work?
oh wait I forgot:party-smiley-004::D

cosmic12 07-16-2008 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by spilman (Post 2625296)
How fast??? Imagine a 2009 28 Active Thunder with twin 550 hp 450 ci Raylars hooked to Bravo XR's w/ Sportmaster lowers....that thing would FLY....I'm thinking 98-102; if you could keep it level & hooked up.

BTW, The SB550 weighs 543 lbs.; what's a 350mag/MPI weigh?? 600-650lbs.??

It would be a sweet package for sure, but I don't think you would get those speeds and the cost whould be outa this world and so not worth it. Like OC. said 33 with 496HO's would be better and cheaper all they way around. Think what the ins. would be with a 28 w/ that much HP. 33 496 the way to go........... WELL SOMEBODY PLEASE BUILD MY DREAM BOAT:D

spilman 07-16-2008 10:00 PM

525 vs. 550sb - torque?
 

Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2625872)
Not a chance.

The horses are there, but not the torque.

My thoughts too; better for the 28....what is the ft./lbs.of torque on the 525's? I think the 550 Raylar is 570 lb.ft.

slboatdrinks 07-17-2008 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2626108)
It would be a sweet package for sure, but I don't think you would get those speeds and the cost whould be outa this world and so not worth it. Like OC. said 33 with 496HO's would be better and cheaper all they way around. Think what the ins. would be with a 28 w/ that much HP. 33 496 the way to go........... WELL SOMEBODY PLEASE BUILD MY DREAM BOAT:D

After running mine with 525's for the 3rd season, I can honestly say that if I had put 496's in it, I would have made a BIG mistake.

The boat is the perfect package with 525's.

R Addiction 07-17-2008 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2626299)
After running mine with 525's for the 3rd season, I can honestly say that if I had put 496's in it, I would have made a BIG mistake.

The boat is the perfect package with 525's.

perfect is right:cool:

TexomaPowerboater 07-17-2008 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2625533)
But the 33 can carry the bbc easily.
Hows a 33 525 boat run, that would give you an idea.

I've priced out a 28 w/ twin custom fwc 350ci 475hp w/ b1s.
I'm guessing 90-95 could be achieved.
The price of those twin engines fully dress is the same as one 650hp BBC.
I like the fact that b1s would hold up no problem.

What is fwc - you got a link or something, I'd like to find out more about that engine your talking about? What priced did you find for the fwc 350 475hp?

What is the raylar 550 priced at?

Blew an engine in the apache, I've got about 2-3 years to figure out what I want to put in her. I like the idea of the raylar 550, but I'm swaying more toward the 496HO's. I just want something extra reliable. Do these high hp small blocks have any kind of electronic monitoring like the merc setups? Do they offer any kind of a warranty?

ACTIVESHACK 07-17-2008 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2626378)
What is fwc

Fresh water cooled

spilman 07-17-2008 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2626378)
What is fwc - you got a link or something, I'd like to find out more about that engine your talking about? What priced did you find for the fwc 350 475hp?

What is the raylar 550 priced at?

Blew an engine in the apache, I've got about 2-3 years to figure out what I want to put in her. I like the idea of the raylar 550, but I'm swaying more toward the 496HO's. I just want something extra reliable. Do these high hp small blocks have any kind of electronic monitoring like the merc setups? Do they offer any kind of a warranty?

I think the Raylar 550 sb is $27k...last I checked...probably more now since EVERYTHING is MORE now

spilman 07-17-2008 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2626299)
After running mine with 525's for the 3rd season, I can honestly say that if I had put 496's in it, I would have made a BIG mistake.

The boat is the perfect package with 525's.

I agree...for your situation it's perfect.
BUT, If someone has about $60-70k? less to spend and is happy w/a 80mph boat, then I think the 33/496 boat would be nice. Remember, if you've never had it going 92, you wouldn't miss it; maybe you'd want more speed but that's always the case, isn't it?

Don't get me wrong, REMEDY is my dream boat; but I do think Cosmic has a point about the 33/496, a good all-around boat that should run 78-80, dialed.

slboatdrinks 07-17-2008 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by spilman (Post 2626424)
I agree...for your situation it's perfect.
BUT, If someone has about $60-70k? less to spend and is happy w/a 80mph boat, then I think the 33/496 boat would be nice. Remember, if you've never had it going 92, you wouldn't miss it; maybe you'd want more speed but that's always the case, isn't it?

Don't get me wrong, REMEDY is my dream boat; but I do think Cosmic has a point about the 33/496, a good all-around boat that should run 78-80, dialed.

I stand by my previous post.

spilman 07-17-2008 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2626449)
I stand by my previous post.

I knew that was coming!

ACTIVESHACK 07-17-2008 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2626449)
I stand by my previous post.


Originally Posted by spilman (Post 2626461)
I knew that was coming!

Go ahead and put 600s in it and go 100 :grinser010:

tblrklakemo 07-17-2008 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 2625552)
only issue there is the cost of the 700 nxt.. You could can get a 33 with 496's for the cost of a 28 700... just my 2 cents.

looks like a nordic 28 heat with a 710 ilmore is 236k, and an adrenaline v30 with a merc 700nxt is 227k...........as tested by powerboat mag.

Yes. Lots of money.

TexomaPowerboater 07-17-2008 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by spilman (Post 2626413)
I think the Raylar 550 sb is $27k...last I checked...probably more now since EVERYTHING is MORE now

:eek::eek:

Biggest problem I see with trying to put that much horsepower in a 28 anything is the ride at speed. They weren't designed to go that fast and nobody really knows how they will ride at that speed so its a pretty big gamble. If you want to go 80+ safely I'd definitely want to be in a bigger boat.

cosmic12 07-17-2008 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2626738)
:eek::eek:

Biggest problem I see with trying to put that much horsepower in a 28 anything is the ride at speed. They weren't designed to go that fast and nobody really knows how they will ride at that speed so its a pretty big gamble. If you want to go 80+ safely I'd definitely want to be in a bigger boat.

OH my god I actually agree with something from him.:eek:

cosmic12 07-17-2008 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2626299)
After running mine with 525's for the 3rd season, I can honestly say that if I had put 496's in it, I would have made a BIG mistake.

The boat is the perfect package with 525's.

I agree with you no argument from me. My point is all round more affordable on every point without giveing up much. And way smarter than a 28 with some big overpriced power.:ernaehrung004:

ActiveThunder 07-17-2008 07:03 PM

A 33 with twin 496s wll run well over 80 and cost the same as 28 with a single 700 NXT or twin Raylars based on my data.

Fuel effiecent and very resellable......

But who knows? It's really about what you want.

cosmic12 07-17-2008 07:43 PM

Someone should ck into what it would cost to insure a 28 w/700nxt I know what it was for a 525. I would be willing to bet it would be a lot more than my dream 33. And though I love the 28s I would prefer the room of the 33 if they are priced about the same now.

rlj676 07-18-2008 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 2627208)
A 33 with twin 496s wll run well over 80 and cost the same as 28 with a single 700 NXT or twin Raylars based on my data.

Fuel effiecent and very resellable......

But who knows? It's really about what you want.

What about a 28 with a single Raylar?

How would that compare speed and cost wise to a single 525?

Seems the weight savings plus 25 hp would be ideal, unless there is a torque issue?

R Addiction 07-18-2008 09:27 AM

Ok I'm gonna go there.....

R Addiction 07-18-2008 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2626738)
:eek::eek:

Biggest problem I see with trying to put that much horsepower in a 28 anything is the ride at speed. They weren't designed to go that fast and nobody really knows how they will ride at that speed so its a pretty big gamble. If you want to go 80+ safely I'd definitely want to be in a bigger boat.


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2627195)
OH my god I actually agree with something from him.:eek:

PUZZYS!!!! You don't even feel it when you hit the water...its 4 days later that it hurts!:p

R Addiction 07-18-2008 09:35 AM

I'm looking into a 530HP 502 for my Tantrum.......to keep it safe you have to know your limitations, thats all:eek::p

Stormrider 07-18-2008 09:46 AM

Here's a good question... pricing wise between a 28 and 33.
A hull rigged w/ no power or drives, but ready for them.
For a cabin, either one should be at most a cover girl cabin.
Just 2 simple benches on each side... about 48".
The rest is just storage, or open for Large rubbermaid containers w/ bungees.
The only difference is fiberglass and resin, and extra gauges for 33twin vs 28single. Ya know what... make it a 3way w/ a 28twin also.

Am i missing anything? Would there be any other differences between the boats that would make a price difference?

tblrklakemo 07-18-2008 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by R Addiction (Post 2627717)
I'm looking into a 530HP 502 for my Tantrum.......to keep it safe you have to know your limitations, thats all:eek::p

cool....sounds incredibly bad azz.

how much you figure a s-charged 500 or 525 28 w/ a drive built to handle that power reliably will set you back? I bet you could just start with a merc 700nxt and get all that w/ less headache...and a warrenty to boot.

camptappakeg69 07-18-2008 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2627730)
Here's a good question... pricing wise between a 28 and 33.
A hull rigged w/ no power or drives, but ready for them.
For a cabin, either one should be at most a cover girl cabin.
Just 2 simple benches on each side... about 48".
The rest is just storage, or open for Large rubbermaid containers w/ bungees.
The only difference is fiberglass and resin, and extra gauges for 33twin vs 28single. Ya know what... make it a 3way w/ a 28twin also.

Am i missing anything? Would there be any other differences between the boats that would make a price difference?

A threeway with twins would be great!!!















Oh wait you mean a boat..............:grinser010:


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