He is one of the De La Torre's

I will bid this job for you lets just start with the engines 3 Chiefs lets go all out Twin Turbo 1800+ probably in the
$300k -$350k range

There is a cap on the $ with this client, that's why even with a quick loose total the #'s are staggering!
Thanks
Ed

Sean
Jump right in there! Keep working the #'s. Drives , interior, prices? Also go as high with the HP on pump gas as possible.....engines fully marine dressed.
Ed

You can rebuild an entire boat for that amount of money... BTW, You can buy some chiefs for $40K a piecee..

Replacement cost on my rig is $240K... Please sell it for me so I can cut you the check for $24K, there's your money for engines. :)

It will be the best flip story of all time, thanks to you Ed! :)

Frank
If you feel your Apache Performance Boat isn't worth much then who am I to argue with you? Sell it to Dreamer for 10 bucks. Then you both will be happy. Have a nice Eternity.
Ed

if you buy total pkge from merc the price with the drive and tranny. headers is much cheaper then piecing it together. show me 1 perf boat that doesnt need spare power. if you do it ,do it right. NO DOWN TIME WHATS THAT WORTH?


THESE BOATS ARE WORTH NOTHING THEESE DAYS. DID YOU SEE THAT NEW ANTI-SMUGGELING PLANE FLA HAS. FIRST ONE.

El Indio
I'll look into the Mercury Racing package prices & Chief Engine prices. I feel Cold War may require the shiftable SCS crash boxes though. I agree with you 100% about the downtime. Spare power and drives are the first class way to go! I will put some numbers together for as much we can foresee. And I'm sure we can't foresee 100% of this project. This Apache up and running is not inexpensive. That is where the desire comes in, either you want it or you don't. In God we trust, all others pay cash!
Thanks
Ed

ONCE YOU GET IT TOGETHER AND RUNNING THE FUN STARTS. YOU GET TO KEEP IT RUNNING. BIG BUCK BOAT. MM. PS. WAY ABOVE ME. I HAVE A 25 YEAR OLD APACHE. MINE SAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITH THE GOVT. LOW PROFILE TO SAY THE LEAST. TRADED A 35 CIG I HAD FOR LIKE 15 YEARS FOR IT. HAD A PAIR OF 540 PKGS. DONE. GET 1 GOOD BOAT AND MAINTAIN IT TO THE MAX. HAS BEEN WORKING FOR ME... MM.

Bondo boats? :D

El Indio
The gentleman interested in Cold War is a personal friend of mine. Of course a millionaire, but you have to have those millions stacked high to buy, rig & maintain a powerboat of this magnitude. I will put some rough numbers together for him and then look at his shocked face! If he decides to persue it, my recomendation is of course to take it back to the man that built it....McManus. Let's see what he does.
Thanks
Ed

Ed, you can twist and turn it any way you want, the fact is, these boats aren't worth $1.2M in the open market.... You're friend might spend that much but he'll be lucky to see half when he sells it.

My point remains the same.:coolcowboy:

Good news, now both of you can bring your boats back to McManus to finish them up. Hopefully your millionaire friend is happier with this boat than the last guy. Ask your buddy to throw in some extra cash so you can finish your boat...MM will probably give you a package deal anyway, keep him busy for a year. :bigbird:

Typical negative downbeat remarks. It really demeans the sport of powerboating, and turns away possible new members to the Offshore Powerboating Community. Not to mention hurts all of the excellent people who make their living & provide for a family in a Powerboat oriented company.

Now that is a silly question Mark.
How many guys own boats that haven't touched water (besides rain) for years?

Guys are building LipShip 20s at well over 100k each.
It ain't about what they'll be worth later, it's what its worth is in enjoyment to the owner... NOW.
And per MM, to him its out there on the water running.

Again, you don't see it...

It's not negative and down beat... Anyone looking to get int he performance boating world should enter this sport knowing the costs and be one with it before jumping in with both feet. There's too many times where people are mislead because they have money and in the end it ruins our sport and the performance boating community as a whole.

I've grown up around these boats my entire life, worked in the industry and have owned them. I don't BS with people and tell them like it is because I've seen so many come and go and that bothers me more than you being upset about posting reality.

This sport takes passion and dedication, if that's not there these "millionaires" including the regular people like you and I will get in over their heads and/or burned out very quickly.

Quite a few, yet they know it all. :eek::drink:

I'm one of them. Here is why.
I bought the Comanche with the intention of installing new power, trans, 6 drives, some modifications in a 3 to 4 year timeline. Guess what? Times up. Project not complete.
Now the upside
Work has been so time consuming and profitable that I almost have the Comanche paid off. Engine hatch modifications finished & paid off, 4 brand new #6 wet sump drives paid off. Two brand new wet sump transom assemblies paid off. Plus two new transmissions paid off. I'm working on it! It's taking longer than expected, and in the end it will be a beautiful powerboat. I tend to keep a powerboat 20 plus years. Speaking of that...I have had that Cigarette Firefox for 22 years. Time for a ad in the classifieds!
Keep the faith
Ed

Althought I only saw you out with it 1-2 times, your Firefox is/was very nice.

Years ago, you pulled up to Navesink when I was working there. I said hello but doubt you remember.

Ed, i know what it takes to do it right, that is why i'm not doing it at all right now.
There are guys out there that buy these beasts w/o knowing what it takes to get'em going and keep them that way. Now they can't/won't get'r done.

Btw, don't sell the 24... coolest FF there is, and i'd hate to see it get in the wrong hands.

GOOD. DO IT RIGHT.DO IT ONCE,AND MAINTAIN. BIG JOB, NOT CHEAP. ANTICAPATION OUTWEIGHS DELIVERY. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE. MM.PS. I HAVE MINE A LOOONG TIME.

Hey SR
To quote El Indio "it's not easy and it's not cheap" and if you are easily overwhelmed, you're gonna crash!
Other than that, it's great!
The Firefox probably should go at this time in my life. One offshore powerboat is easier for me to focus on. I do get attached to things. That is good and bad. Good because I never worry about a possible money loss. Bad because too much inventory slows me down. So it will be up for sale. God, I hope Dreamer and Panther don't call on it, talking to those two is like going to a funeral. LOL!
Ed

I agree, but I hope when I get it finished, Delivery at least equals anticipation! I feel that getting what you really want and keeping it for a long time is the best way to extract satisfaction.
To be continued
Ed

Your loss...I have a buyer for your boat.

Good luck and enjoy the rest of your day. :kiss:

I see the "Miami Shuffle" has made it's way to Middletown NJ!
LOL!

You're doing a good job of it!

300 hours of rigging @ $100/hr
3 Dry Sump drives @ $30k/ea complete
3 SCS shiftable crash boxes @ $15k-$20k/ea
Interior @ $20k-$50k depending on who does it
Misc custom items by new owner... PRICELESS

Thanks Sean
3- Teague 1200HP engines $92,000 each
2- plug in transom assemblies $14,401 each
1-Driveline transom assembly $14,936 each
Latham tie bar arrangement?
Propellers ?
Myco trailer?
Tow vechicle?
The numbers start to get large quickly. I will be having dinner with my buddy over the week end, I will present this plus any thing else pertinent. The final decision of course rest's with him.
Ed

SR
Those Lipship 20' Cigarettes are spectacular! Talk about "Pride of owership" wouldn't I love to have one! I called LipShip and spoke to Phil about the last new 20 available. He said a Russian guy built a 50' Maurader and then the 20' to match. He did not take delivery on the 20, I don't know about the 50. Hey!.......Russian guy, Grey/orange, 50' Cigarette Maurader, could it be the same guy that........ah what's the difference, it doesn't matter.
That last 20' is fabulous!
Ed

Spoke to my friend about Cold War this morning and he decided it was too much of a commitment for him. I said at least you thought it through and came to that determination before you bought it. Those big 3 engine Apache Powerboats are fantastic, but you better have the $.

The Russian buyer backed out of the 50 and the 20 before they were completed. The 50 sold and will stay in Fl. The 20 is still for sale I believe. Both amazing machines!

Both of those Cig's are beautiful!

Thanks for the pics Tank, they are two of Cigarette's finest powerboats!
Ed

A curiosity question; why is it that a 50' Cigarette is considered "beautiful" as Panther indicated but a 54' Apache is derided by the masses ?

TC

Maybe most people expect Cigarette to evolve their looks with the times, but some can't accept Apache doing that. Personally I love the look of the 54 Apache. When you see it in the water it has beautiful flowing lines.
Ed

Personally, I don't like the "industrial" look of the 54. I think the wind fairing is gaudy, the radar arch is hideous and the "euro step" is not only unnecessary but also un-flattering. These three things take away from the beautiful lines of this Apache. I'm all for "evolution" of a powerboat company but these three aspects of this boat just didn't work (in my opinion). On the other hand, I absolutely love Tsunami, which is an Apache that I would consider "updated". Smoother lines, rounded edges...Very nice.

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The 50 Cig still has the classic lines of the original Cigarettes (Top Gun) with subtlety that smooth out its appearance. Softer angles help with the look of the Marauder to give it a much more appealing look.

I mean, come on…the 50 Marauder is a bad mutha f*cker!! Who can argue with those lines?!:drink:

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Who can argue with those lines?!:drink:

TONY MONTANA?

I believe Cold War has somewhat of a Military demeanor rather than industrial. Even the name evokes that premise. I certainly would love to see it completed & in my driveway. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Did I mention I was half Russian? LOL!

I agree with thisistank 100%.

I don't like the windshield on the Apache, nor do I like the engine hatch, bussle and arch on the Apache. The windshield seemed to work on Tsunami but I really think it looks out of place on the 54'.

If I were to have one built I would have it done with a different design. I would have went with a windshield design that in my opinion matches the boat. Inherently the Apache has very crisp lines and when you mix curves with crisp I think it looks out of place. The engine hatch looks like it belongs on something else. It's kinda like having a really skinny chick that weighs 100 lbs with some bolt-on double d fake boobs, it just looks out of place (inserted opinion).

It's a matter of personal preference. I like it from the rub-rail down, the hull itself is classic Apache/Cigarrette so that basically remains the same. I hope that answers your question...

Excellent analysis that answers my question. I personally don't care for the 54 wind fairing. The original was much more attractive, IMHO. However, the owner is extremely tall and needed it raised.

I hope someone takes the opportunity to re-rig the 54. They will then have the opportunity to redo the wind fairing, bustle, and engine hatch.

Thanks,

TC